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[Gooseone]

I've recently come across this Zen teacher called Adyashanti : http://www.adyashanti.org/index.php?file=teachings
It seems he teaches the long way to the path , although much of Roage his teachings for me seem to apply more in hindsight then before .
Although one could be wary for "guru's" i haven't heard a guy speak so much truth , also he has been very helpful for me in the sense the first vid i looked
at from him he was telling me what i have been doing .
There is a lot of Audio/Video material on his site , cheers !

[Joseph]

Adyashanti is very important for me personally. I studied him first before I stumbled onto this site. Because I studied him first, I get the sense that Roger is right on. They are essentially saying the same thing, but paths they offer are different.

I don't know if Adyashanti offers a long path. For him, the important thing for enlightenment is to develop an intuitive sense of oneness and apply it in your daily lives. He is also big into the philosophy of nonduality. When you apply it, it changes your world upside down. It drastically affects how you view other people and how you handle situations.

But ultimately, he said enlightenment is granted based on the grace of God. You don't get it from doing things or meditating. He said a person get it just from taking an ordinary trip to a store. He has other students who talk about being enlightened, so that is a good sign. That means something is going right.

[Ryanon]

Gooseone, you have had me on a two day non-stop of watching his videos since you posted on another thread lol

[Gooseone]

You to huh
And @ Joseph indeed it can change ones life very much , mine has already changed a lot but this guy has reminded me that by wanting to put it into words
and wanting it to much to bring over to others i was defeating the purpose. Roage has also told me this and that had set me further on my way , and this guy
told me what i still was doing wrong.
I can imagine this stuff being worthwhile on every level.

[Seamus]

When the student is ready, the Buddha appears.

There's this other site, that 'backs into' what Roage is teaching, from a VERY Christian perspective. http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/ That is what some need. Adyashanti is great, but I doubted my own self too much to follow Zen successfully. I have made a mess of my life several times, and I was ready for simple, straightforward logic. That is the beauty of the path that Roger has outlined. All you need is determination to be honest with yourself and a willingness to logically think things through. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, but some like having one.

The likelihood of two people needing/following the same path is about the same as for two subatomic particles following the same trail through a bubble chamber (see image in this article: http://www.sgiquarterly.org/vocation2007Jly-1.html )

[Joseph]

One thing that is interesting about Adyashanti's teaching is that he said you will always come back into form even after you are enlightened. Although enlightenment makes life more pleasant, still one lives another life after you die.

I wonder if that is because he makes the Mahayana vow with the supreme authority. Part of Mahayana vow says you will keep coming back until everyone transcends.

[roage]

One thing that is interesting about Adyashanti's teaching is that he said you will always come back into form even after you are enlightened. Although enlightenment makes life more pleasant, still one lives another life after you die.

I wonder if that is because he makes the Mahayana vow with the supreme authority. Part of Mahayana vow says you will keep coming back until everyone transcends.

This I need to ponder.

[Gooseone]

If the many many stories of after life/ascension/reaching nirvana/judgement day hold any truth , the beatifull experience which lies for us after this
physical experience accompagnied by our enormous increase in empathy at that moment makes for us to almost every time decide to go back to help
others realise the truth , even when we know the confusion can be so great we forget what we came back for.
This also explains why Buddhists would incarnate in their old surroundings , to make for a better catalyst to find the truth and thereby speeding up to path to
come to know what they are here for.
Yet it is almost futile to contemplate on the matter seeing we have a coloured truth of something people do not fully remember.(almost )

[Joseph]

If the many many stories of after life/ascension/reaching nirvana/judgement day hold any truth , the beatifull experience which lies for us after this
physical experience accompagnied by our enormous increase in empathy at that moment makes for us to almost every time decide to go back to help
others realise the truth , even when we know the confusion can be so great we forget what we came back for.
This also explains why Buddhists would incarnate in their old surroundings , to make for a better catalyst to find the truth and thereby speeding up to path to
come to know what they are here for.
Yet it is almost futile to contemplate on the matter seeing we have a coloured truth of something people do not fully remember.(almost )

Actually there are lots of people in the East who claimed to become enlightened without doing anything at all. They received no teaching, no training, and never meditated. Also if I recall correctly, Eckhart Tolle didn't do anything either. He was depressed one day, and then he was changed over night. After he was enlightened, he said he went homeless and spent two years sitting at various park benches eating less than one meal per day.

So if that's true, they don't even need to incarnate to their old surrondings. They don't have to worry about being confused.

[Seamus]

Actually there are lots of people in the East who claimed to become enlightened without doing anything at all. They received no teaching, no training, and never meditated. Also if I recall correctly, Eckhart Tolle didn't do anything either. He was depressed one day, and then he was changed over night. After he was enlightened, he said he went homeless and spent two years sitting at various park benches eating less than one meal per day.

So if that's true, they don't even need to incarnate to their old surrondings. They don't have to worry about being confused.

Right, because they have grasped the most important issue: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall make your paths straight."

The rest is icing on the cake. The time for the communication of the means of surrender is now, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago. Now. That surrender makes us more powerful than a nuclear bomb, just as it does for the ascetics in India, or at least, the genuine ones. It's easy to be an ascetic in India, unfortunately. Any ascetics you find in the USA are much more likely to be genuine.