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[Joseph]

I find this video very helpful in explaining the constitutional side of things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYiv0w9 ... re=related

[roage]

I am most of the way through and I will agree it is very informative but I want to remind you of certain law that was not explained.

1. I do not go to the thief and beg for my property back.
2. I am free not because because I file papers with a court. I am free because Ø makes me free.
3. Had we each been educated to this according to the law then the the fraud perpetrator get to keep what was stolen. Because we were not duly and properly notified we will be presumed under God to remain full owners of that which God has given us. They do not own what they cannot own merely because the defraud me or anyone else.
4. I need not reclaim that which cannot be stolen from me in the first place.

He makes one statement that undermines everything one would hope to achieve through all the hopping on one foot required and that is the fact that those one would notify do not themselves obey the law. What really is the point. I choose to ignore them or engage them as I see fit such that nothing they do is binding on me. I make the choice.

This presentation is dated. I estimate from around 1996. The lawlessness of the fiction is now without measure. Only Ø is our remedy and recourse and only Ø is our protection. Sovereignty can only through that relationship, awareness and acknowledgment.

As a tool to help arouse and educate people as to the ruse I find this presentation very valuable. I heard him express two things that only I have stated and that there is a profound difference between that which is legal and that which is lawful. He also make the correct distinction between civil rights and those right that flow from Ø.

I would suggest it be watched but one needs to transcend what is explained and get to the quintessential element that empowers and supersedes all the activity of man. Only through that can one expect the most freedom within a simulation, that at its core, sets boundaries and limits as an escape for "us/I" who, in our natural state, are boundless and limitless.

What we are seeing, being played out here, is the question: "what if Ø could create a stone that Ø itself could not lift." The universe is like that given that a part of Ø has had limits that only the other part can remove. This universe, at least within, is that rock that we, while we are here, cannot lift. These are self-imposed limits that happily fall away when our facet returns and the experience is integrated back into the one.

All we are are memory relics of a very persistent and continuous thought. That which we view as individual is not a substance as we are merely a “what if” contemplation. I realize that we get lost and tend to take ourselves way too seriously but for the purposes of this exercise it is warranted and appreciated.

[Joseph]

I did post this link on facebook, but I don't think any of my 290+ friends watched them. The idea of sovereignty is mostly like very foreign for most people, and they seee it as irrelavent for their lives.

I don't think his presentation alone without Ø can help me much. The problem with me is that I am a naturalized citizen. What what I heard from other people, imported immigrants swear allegence to The United States of America, Washington DC. We are technically not under the protection of the constitution. Contitution was only designed to protect the sovereigns who are native to the lands. Immigrants were meant to be more or less like slaves.

But like you said, the law is useless now because they don't obey it. Bush said constitution is just a god damned piece of paper. I think the guy who presented this material was jailed for many years.

[roage]

I did post this link on facebook, but I don't think any of my 290+ friends watched them. The idea of sovereignty is mostly like very foreign for most people, and they seee it as irrelavent for their lives.

I don't think his presentation alone without Ø can help me much. The problem with me is that I am a naturalized citizen. What what I heard from other people, imported immigrants swear allegence to The United States of America, Washington DC. We are technically not under the protection of the constitution. Contitution was only designed to protect the sovereigns who are native to the lands. Immigrants were meant to be more or less like slaves.

But like you said, the law is useless now because they don't obey it. Bush said constitution is just a god damned piece of paper. I think the guy who presented this material was jailed for many years.

Let me help you re-align your thinking.

The Constitution protects no one. A piece of paper does nothing. No one can prove ownership of anything outside of their own experience. External material expression including the body itself, remain as they always have, the exclusive property of Ø as merely a thought in the mind of Ø.

You are not a "naturalized citizen". You are a man. They deal only in paper and fictions that are theirs and theirs alone. One need not fuss with that nonsense and actually Ø will provide adequeate consequences when one does. Realize the whole idea of Bank "ruptcy" is that: one is "forced" to came begging to the one who you have ignorantly given perceptive power to. What does the "forcing"? One need not hold them as kings over their experience. It is merely a choice. A violation of rule one. What is the punishment for "violating" rule one? One choses to percieve them as a god and therefore, at one's willing choice, they become your god. It is merely a choice that gets you into this predicament and only a choice will get you out., nothing more. Where your body is and what your body does is merely a function of the movie being played out for you. You can pretend, if you want, that the movie is under your control but that is all it is: "pretend". Such is the illusory nature of this Universe. Remember "Uni Verse" is merely one verse in a cosmic song sung by Ø. We are merely sitting and watching the show, either forgeting that it is merely entertainment, or truly recognizing the truly awesome nature and appreciating it for the wonder it really is.

"Bank ruptcy" cannot apply to you as a man. Is one poor that has the world? Whether, I in deference, allow those around me their delision is of no consequence. I am happy that their illusion is maintained as they deserve the same respect and experience that has been afforded you. Where you are at is that you are in a place, in your experience, where the choice was made for you to awaken. Remember, it is not a function of your will, or any other man's will for that matter. Your movie merely arrived at a more interesting part of the plot. Like me, you came here for the reconciliation of what you are within this imaginary zoo.

[maja]

Lately, I have watched a lot of videos about freeman on the land and sovereignty concepts, mainly Robert Mennard. But, unfortunately, just like Joseph, I'm a naturalized citizen of Canada and everything said seems not to apply for us... but where is Ø then in all of this? Maybe it is a remedy for some but not for all. And that sounds stupid but clearly it is true. If you all get what I mean. And why did Ø made me get aquainted with it in the first place?

And to answer the question: Yes, I am a sovereign already... I just haven't been notified yet!

[maja]

One need not fuss with that nonsense and actually Ø will provide adequeate consequences when one does.

and that is why I am were I am... and that is not where I want to be

[Joseph]

okay,

Sorry, I am not sure if you answered this question before.

Now how exactly do I "not fuss with that nonsense" and "hold them as kings"? It seems to me that we are still functioning as a member of the corporation, and most of us are dependent on the system. Many of us pay taxes, mortages, student loans, etc... we use fiat currencies. Can we be part of the system and not of it?

For example, if we stop paying taxes, then IRS will have us jailed. Is the fear of IRS the same as give away the power to them?

[roage]

okay,

Sorry, I am not sure if you answered this question before.

Now how exactly do I "not fuss with that nonsense" and "hold them as kings"? It seems to me that we are still functioning as a member of the corporation, and most of us are dependent on the system. Many of us pay taxes, mortages, student loans, etc... we use fiat currencies. Can we be part of the system and not of it?

For example, if we stop paying taxes, then IRS will have us jailed. Is the fear of IRS the same as give away the power to them?

While it "seems" to you to be so that is the fear ego will use against you.

Ego is very clever and adept at exploiting that which you fear the most, against you. Those fears are different for everyone

As far as the IRS. Until one "realizes" Ø's ultimate supremacy in both "heaven" and Earth then ego wins and fear will grip you. Either you trust Ø or you do not. It is merely a choice. If Ø chooses to deliver me into the hands of the criminals then who am I to question Ø's lesson for me? Would I not be exactly where I was supposed to be? The fear of torture, the fear of death and the fear of imprisonment is by far worse than the actual torture, death or imprisonment. It is that fear that is utilized against us. Once we lose our fear we find that these demons existed only because we give them power.

I realize that is easy to say and this is why under most circumstances we must be pushed beyond the point of hopelessness where we choose to simply give up because we have no other choice or option, other than Ø. If we have been selected to go through this process then those fears will become real and our choices will be forcibly removed until we get to a point of letting go. Like I said many times: suppression of the ego is not pleasant as ego must have the crap kicked out of it. Unfortunately, because we typically identify ourselves as the ego then we perceive it is "what we truly are" that is under attack. For this reason the practice and exercise of making that separation is important. The world then can beat the rag doll to death and that which you really are can sit by and merely observe the ego's plight with objective curiousity.

Much fear, I sense in young Skywalker. Fear leads to hate and hate leads to suffering...

For some, conquering this fear is as easy as stepping across a puddle, for others it will be like swimming across the ocean.

It is easiest for those who perceive that they have nothing else to lose. Others are held hostage by their wealth and worse: those they think they are responsible for and love.

"A rich man has a better chance passing through the eye of a needle then entering the kingdom of Ø"

Ø exists in a jurisdiction that is not perceptible to those who would have you as their slaves. In this place you are protected under divine grace.

One must know this with a certainty stronger than faith or belief can ever bring one. That certainty comes when you choose to put away your fear and trust in something most still believe is an intangible concept.

Remember that society makes a strong point in reminding us continually: "If Ø speaks to you then you are insane" Fear of insanity is a very deeply rooted and programmed concept that they specifically spared no expense to instill in us. What they say is true but one must understand that "speaking" is not the most effective method of communication. Ø proves the point my moving the Universe to produce "coincidence" that can only be appreciated in an individual way personal way.

It has always been designed specifically for you to see and only for you to understand. We are not permitted to pass this experience to those who are not ready. Our "testaments" are often not believed by the uninitiated. One must choose this for themselves.

The most effective cage is one we are not able to detect. One will not detect this cage by using one's senses as our physical senses were purposely designed to not allow us to detect the cage. That is the nature of the cage. Either one develops the intuitive ability to perceive their confinement or they remain unaware of the cage's existence.

From your perspective you are in a situation you cannot surmount. That actually is the truth. Ø however is not so encumbered and if one places themselves in a particular aspect then Ø has no trouble protecting you from what you "no longer" fear.

How could I ever teach you this trust? I cannot. You must learn this for yourself. At most, I can tell you it is possible. Whether you believe me or not is between you alone and Ø.

Do you see how the video is just another nuanced trap or off-ramp? All this energy "reclaiming" is wasted energy and mis-direction. It is clever, this opponent of yours. It is the most difficult challenge that you have ever faced to this point. The trick to fighting and beating this opponent is to not fight or beat it at all. Give up and allow that which can, beat it with your free and willing permission to do so on your behalf.

From what I have observed from the nature of men, is that they only begin taking what you say seriously after you die. Perhaps this is the case now, perhaps it is not. Either way it does not matter to me as I am grateful for what I have been given and if this body ends today I can only count my experience as the most wondrous and awesome gift I could even have been given. To me death is the most important part of life and we through our fear try to delay it as long as possible. Death cannot come before that which I have come to do is done. It is the promise. I exist in eternity, time is an illusion. Everything we think so seriously is real, is an illusion. I am an illusion only Ø is real. Do I kill myself? No, as I love surprises and it is clearly apparent to me that my experience is only beginning. What other wonders are in store for me right around a corner that has been lovingly concealed from me to increase the surprise factor. I and only dream and giggle with anticipation...

What do I mean when I say "I"? The language is not sufficient as it creates a sense of separation that does not exist. You are there because I am there.

Does this help?

[maja]

Thank you, thank you and again thank you...this is the answer that I needed.

I am grateful
I love you

[maja]

Sorry to all, for being so emotional in the previous post, but the coincidences where so obvious that I want to scream in this wee hour of joy. And I wish that Joseph got his answer too and is smiling right now as I am. As for Roage, I know you are smiling too.