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Postby Seamus » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:36 pm

With all the folks getting switched on here, it begs the questions of "What do we do now?" and "How do we best serve the purpose that Ø has in mind for us?".

Though it may seem cliché, it could well be that what we need is togetherness. I have mentioned before that I used to be in a cult called the Twelve Tribes http://www.twelvetribes.org , a very radical neo-Christian movement. There were several things which drew me to it. First, there was the obvious genuine camaraderie that they had with one another while on their "evangelistic" outings. Then, there was the promise of using their propitiatory framework (the scapegoating of Jesus of Nazareth, whom they call by the Hebrew name, Yahshua) to achieve a state of being acceptable to God. Further, they promised that in exchange for my surrender of everything (my physical, mental and spiritual resources), all my needs would be cared for and I would never be alone again. They also promised to provide daily direction of God's purpose for my life.

They live together in communes, called communities, in many cities across the US and in several other countries. I was with them for 8 years and 4 months. I was the production manager for their commercial and in-house (propaganda) printshop in upstate NY. I was moving up in the leadership. And I was, for the last year i was there, increasingly troubled by the major holes in their practice of the things they preached. However, with all the problems they have, (festering greed, favoritism, disrespect to parents, lack of care for single mothers, a longing for the ways of the world in the children, etc.) the model still works pretty darn good. They operate out of a common purse, gather for festive singing and dancing twice daily, eat their meals together in large dining rooms... There were a lot of things about that life that I miss, but the shortcomings were far too glaring and numerous for me to stay.

To cut to the chase, I have been thinking that an enclave of sovereigns would be an atmosphere conducive to the constant sharing of ideas and works for mutual benefit, that would almost certainly allow for OUR development into a new society of supra-humans. Not super-humans, but supra- http://myword.info/definition.php?id=supra_1-a

The concept of the hive mind of the Borg is only a little distorted. It is portrayed as fearful, because ego can't survive in such an environment. I desire a future in which all members of a society are able to communicate with each other minus the ego chatter. Not that ego (personality) is a bad thing. It's just the old way. The new way is walking in the truth, and if you are in the truth, you don't need any more personality than your truth manifests on its own. That doesn't mean everyone will be the same, it means we will see difference between us only where there actually is difference. Some are painters, some sculptors, some musicians, some mechanics, some engineers, some garderners, some architects, etc. The construction of the facades to which we have clung can cease. Their deconstruction can begin in a society that depends not upon consumption and competition, but upon cooperation and abundance. I have tasted a watered-down version of it. And even that was pretty good. If it weren't for the hypocrisy, I would probably still be there. Wonderful, kind people, giving all they have... too bad the leaders are corrupt. That's part and parcel of the ego's desire to dominate, submit, seek acceptance, and victimize.

Nature gives abundance. The scarcity we live under is an illusion that we created in order to exercise our spirit and transcend it. When we switch over to the new paradigm, there is literally a whole world available to us, that we can move into with confidence. 5th density, where the sovereigns live, is spacious and free. For those who haven't switched on yet, no, you don't go to "another place". You still have a 3d body and a 3d job, but your mental and spiritual (and social) space is different. It is this that caused the police who surrounded my bus not to question my identity, and only to ask questions pertinent to my well-being. They could barely see me (not physically, but as a subject upon whom to exercise their presumed authority), and they didn't even recognize that.

So, where could such a "community" exist? Well, in a sense, we are connected via this forum. This is a type of community. But to have physical dwellings in close proximity, to allow for gatherings and social activities and cooperative effort as concerns projects on the "ranch", requires a "ranch".

Such would require locating unused land (maybe National Forest land?) and publishing a claim to it, and forming an "Allodial Title" to it, under Real Jurisdiction. Also, a "society" must be formed, of which sovereigns would be full members, and their family members, if not sovereign, would be provided for in some other way such as to protect them from depredation by the Admiralty pirates.

I know people who know how to do the Allodial Title thing. And i know (of) a guy who has successfully formed a real society (Robert Menard of the World Freeman Society, see his videos on Youtube for some entertaining exposition of the legal BS system.). But since this is about a group effort, would those interested in the formation of these enclaves of sovereignty mind sharing ideas? :)
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Re: Community

Postby roage » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:35 pm

Seamus wrote:But since this is about a group effort, would those interested in the formation of these enclaves of sovereignty mind sharing ideas? :)

I'm game but the trick would be without any outward manifestation or left-brained difference. How would we distinguish ourselves from the rest. I am not doing the black hat and beard thing.

I don't mind moving toward an agrarian lifestyle but it is better with more people because one can take a break from milking in the morning and can take a break. We need to be in a place that is conducive to organic farming with a decent climate.
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Re: Community

Postby Seamus » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:58 pm

We don't really need to visually distinguish ourselves, do we? The twelve tribes do the beard and ponytail and untucked shirts thing. I am not into that or any other means of drawing attention of that sort.

Decent climate is a must, obviously. Which seems to indicate someplace like vilcabamba, ecuador. Incidentally, that's the new location for the Venus Project. In fact, they have property on the very development that my ex-fiancee and I were drooling over a couple of years ago. I found out about that long after we determined it was out of our price range.

However... Jaques Fresco (founder of the Venus Project) might be interested in what we are doing. But then again maybe not. He is an old geezer and a bit of a materialist, in the sense that he isn't "superstitious".

I agree about milking... machines are the way to go for that anyway. It's actually healthier for the cows/goats/sheep, as it gets all the milk out more reliably, lowering incidence of mastitis. :0)
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Re: Community

Postby Gooseone » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:50 am

The idea fills me with joy :)
There seem to be quite some practical obstacles , a shame really that with so much time spend in my life i find out how little i know about
practical sunstainable concepts :oops:
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Re: Community

Postby roage » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:58 am

The things that jump out at me is.

The level of cooperation need not be compelled.

A family must have at least one sovereign to be vested.

It must be made easier to leave than to join. I do not want anyone to feel like it is an imposition to leave and we as a group have a responsibility to ensure they have the resources to comfortably do so. The nice part about that is spreading the message is best done when we do not feel tied to the group and venture our to start other groups. As the number of sovereigns increases that will be a necessity. The idea that one cannot leave because they would be destitute would be coercion and create a victim.

Sovereigns themselves would not create victims but those who are not yet sovereign must understand that the environment they enter will be such that they will not be moved to injure another unless it was important to do so. I doubt we would be subjected to a pathological individual.

We would be together because we want to be together and only as it serves Ø's purpose. I imagine with even one or two sovereigns things would be constructive.
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Re: Community

Postby augustinergirl » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:09 am

Hi all,
you know it is funny, the other day I thought "I would like to be able to milk a cow"... and here you are talking about community life, milking cows etc. ;)
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Re: Community

Postby Moose » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:54 am

At this point in time there is no need for a gathering.
There is joy in just being and in being so others will awaken.

Time will unfold before us great specticles, after which, when the Walls crumble and the backs of man no longer point to what is real yet face what is, we will all find our selfs in these comunities you speak of.
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Re: Community

Postby roage » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:09 pm

Moose wrote:At this point in time there is no need for a gathering.
There is joy in just being and in being so others will awaken.

Time will unfold before us great specticles, after which, when the Walls crumble and the backs of man no longer point to what is real yet face what is, we will all find our selfs in these comunities you speak of.
Relax, enjoy the ride, no prizes for first place here.


But I really really want to milk cows!
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Re: Community

Postby Gooseone » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:49 pm

He's been in training his whole life :lol:

The thought of not having to strain the mind to communicate and being in a productive surrounding where there is less harm done to gaia brings
fruitfull visiualisations.
Practicing being with distractions at every corner is a great lesson , appreciating the distractions yet another.
Conducive surroundings wouldn't aid in the learning process yet the thought of it makes for a welcome relief from the conditioning the body still has
into self thinking , slowly but surely the path seems to create an experience in which i am granted to act from a new state of being and at every step i take
the body follows one step lighter freeing itself from the burden of gravitational images.
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Re: Community

Postby roage » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:58 pm

Gooseone wrote:He's been in training his whole life :lol:

The thought of not having to strain the mind to communicate and being in a productive surrounding where there is less harm done to gaia brings
fruitfull visiualisations.
Practicing being with distractions at every corner is a great lesson , appreciating the distractions yet another.
Conducive surroundings wouldn't aid in the learning process yet the thought of it makes for a welcome relief from the conditioning the body still has
into self thinking , slowly but surely the path seems to create an experience in which i am granted to act from a new state of being and at every step i take
the body follows one step lighter freeing itself from the burden of gravitational images.


I can walk out my door 20 feet and build a campfire and sit all night under the stars. There is something missing when one cannot sit around the fire with others.
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