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Dante's inferno

Postby D@mien » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:47 am

Midway upon the journey of our life
I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost.

Ah me! how hard a thing it is to say
What was this forest savage, rough, and stern,
Which in the very thought renews the fear.


I saw the animated version of Dante's inferno a couple of weeks ago, was a member here at the time, and it made a impression on me. As coincidences don't exist i have connected some dots. When googling on the topic you get a lot of results on mid-life crises. As i think that psychology is a trap, have some points though when reading between the lines, it don't quiet cut it for me. My thoughts are more in the line of what is being expressed on this forum. Somewhere in mid-life, earlier/later for some, a window/door presents itSELF. The journey he takes symbolizes a introspective journey. The devil is the Ego, the wife is the self and the sins is negative ripples created earlier in life. How many victims have you created and are you going to take responsibilities for them/your experiences in life. You have to release the bonds you have put on yourself by recognizing them and by apologizing/release the one's you have wrongfully tied (in the end you have only tied yourself). I believe that you have a "choice" of going through the cleansing or not, if not you don't get of the hook. Back to school in a new flesh-suit. I don't know.

Be sure your sin will find you out. - Numbers 32:23


This is a quote from the movie "23". This as many movies resonated with me, when reading between the lines ;)
I don't know what you think about numerology. I can say that for me it has a role in the process i'm in. I keep seeing 333, 15.15 and so on. In my dream this night the number 23 was central. And 23X3 was what repeated itself. 69 = yin and yang.
"In ancient China, the number two was assigned a feminine role and the number three was given a masculine role"
"The number 69 symbolizes union, or attachment, where two halves join. Note the apparent representation of "69" in the depiction of Yin-Yang, or male-female, energy. This can also be used to represent the union of God and Man in an aspect of spiritual union"

I had a truly wonderful feeling when i woke up from that dream. I feel my spirituality is once again more central in my life :)

"These are the darker sides of this number 23. In the Kaballah, the Hebrew studies of gematria, the number means severity or judgment"
Which brings me back to mid-life, cleansing and so on..

The Sages state that it is "only at the age of 40 that the disciple is fit to understand properly the thought of his master," for "40 years is the age of wisdom." That is why, in general, the kabbalists prefer to "transmit" their teaching to disciples who are at least 40 years old. In their opinion, at that age the human soul becomes spiritually mature. The Hebrew word 'neshamah,' soul, confirms this; the letters which compose it also make up the words 'mem shanah,' 40 years.


I am now in a period where i have seen some "chocking" truths about myself. As roage wrote in another thread "I have experienced something that would cause most men to go to war" and that the experience can be described as attitude adjustment :mrgreen:
I have humbled myself big time, not ready, and i can say that my Ego don't love it :mrgreen:
I have released imaginary foes by apologizing to them. It has had a amazing effect where i have found love where i earlier only thought there was the lack of it. It is up and down at the moment but i have seen the power of love :)
Does this path have a heart?
Carlos Castaneda

It has been/is a little scary but in the end it's a necessity and i truly believe this is my hearts path.


Don't know if this is posted in the correct section of the forum (feel free to move) when there is no apparent questions. I will ask this. How do the conclusions resonate? Have anything that springs to mind? Do you believe that you have to apologize in person or is it enough to recognize within one self?

Now back to work, both in the material and spiritual sense :D
Edit: This truly is a divine comedy :) Loving it!

Love to you all
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Re: Dante's inferno

Postby Seamus » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:41 pm

I think you are talking to your inner Self. That's why none of us have much to say to it. We get it, but it's also tailored highly to your personal experience.
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Re: Dante's inferno

Postby D@mien » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:42 pm

Seamus,
Thanks for your reply. Maybe you are correct that it was me talking to my inner self, at least to some degree.

I got late to work that day and still i couldn't get the OP quiet ready. Maybe the moderator could move it to "just gabbing" or if there is a more correct part of the forum :)

I still think that it would be interesting to here your thoughts on Dante's inferno and its possible link to what's expressed on this forum. I would to think it to be interesting on your thoughts about numerology. I would find it interesting on your thoughts about Kabbalah not being open to any age and if that has some connection to the opening phrase of Dante's inferno. I would find it interesting on your thoughts about correcting negative contracts and if it is enough to recognize or if there has to be some sort of apology in person. I would like to discuss connecting dots or if it's as you say tailored only to me. I know Revolver and the bible has been discussed but i believe when you start to see things in a new frame of understanding then the truth is coming through all over the place, would find it interesting if you agree or not. Most of all i would find it interesting if our experiences has similarities. I thought that my post made that "clear" (between the line) and that my "personal" experience would somewhat make the points clearer, obviously i was wrong :oops:. I didn't think i was that vague :shock: . When reading my post now i can smell what you are cooking Seamus ;) Thanks for the lesson, i will work on being clearer. I can also see that me wanting to express my experience combined with wanting to start a discussion can be a little egocentric, will work on not being to ambitious. In the end all is good :)

When writing You/Your it is not only directed to Seamus but to all of you.

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Re: Dante's inferno

Postby Gooseone » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:55 pm

D@mien wrote:
I saw the animated version of Dante's inferno a couple of weeks ago, was a member here at the time, and it made a impression on me. As coincidences don't exist i have connected some dots. When googling on the topic you get a lot of results on mid-life crises. As i think that psychology is a trap, have some points though when reading between the lines, it don't quiet cut it for me. My thoughts are more in the line of what is being expressed on this forum. Somewhere in mid-life, earlier/later for some, a window/door presents itSELF. The journey he takes symbolizes a introspective journey. The devil is the Ego, the wife is the self and the sins is negative ripples created earlier in life. How many victims have you created and are you going to take responsibilities for them/your experiences in life. You have to release the bonds you have put on yourself by recognizing them and by apologizing/release the one's you have wrongfully tied (in the end you have only tied yourself). I believe that you have a "choice" of going through the cleansing or not, if not you don't get of the hook. Back to school in a new flesh-suit. I don't know.



This whole "life" experience is a window for an introspective yourney , the creation of ego is a profound tell tale sign we are really good at it.
I can wonder how it could be here when the general concensus was more productive to self searching , i know it was in my early adolescence i started to
wonder what place i really had in this big Universe , i knew it was more then meets the eye , yet at the time general concensus drove me to go along with it only to get a great oppertunity again a few years later.
It's funny how one can look up to "grown up's" as a child and as soon as one becomes one starts wondering if the "grown up's" did had the right idea :D
Luckily i don't care much for my age :lol:
It does however many times seems so that people have their final adjustments into conceptualisation during a midlife crisis , I.E. a lot of people become closed minded after a certain age.

Those numbers you keep seeing are a nice reminder that you are on a path which involves more than meets the eye ;)
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Re: Dante's inferno

Postby Seamus » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:59 pm

D@mien wrote:Seamus,
Thanks for your reply. Maybe you are correct that it was me talking to my inner self, at least to some degree.
I would find it interesting on your thoughts about Kabbalah not being open to any age and if that has some connection to the opening phrase of Dante's inferno. I would find it interesting on your thoughts about correcting negative contracts and if it is enough to recognize or if there has to be some sort of apology in person.
Actually I have never read or seen any presentation of the Inferno. It's one of those pieces I have never been led to.
I would like to discuss connecting dots or if it's as you say tailored only to me. I know Revolver and the bible has been discussed but i believe when you start to see things in a new frame of understanding then the truth is coming through all over the place, would find it interesting if you agree or not.
Most definitely I agree that "truth is coming through all over the place". We just need to be in the right frame of mind to catch it.
Most of all i would find it interesting if our experiences has similarities. I thought that my post made that "clear" (between the line) and that my "personal" experience would somewhat make the points clearer, obviously i was wrong :oops:. I didn't think i was that vague :shock: . When reading my post now i can smell what you are cooking Seamus ;) Thanks for the lesson, i will work on being clearer.
Honestly, i didn't mean to correct you or teach you a lesson. I didn't mean to imply that any of what you wrote should be "better" in any way. I was just observing that I didn't have much of a way to connect to what you had written (while neglecting to mention I hadn't ever read "Inferno") If you, through reflection on what I said, came to the conclusion that there were ways you could have represented your thoughts better (in your own opinion) then you have yourself to thank. You are, after all, your own best teacher.
I can also see that me wanting to express my experience combined with wanting to start a discussion can be a little egocentric, will work on not being to ambitious. In the end all is good :)

When writing You/Your it is not only directed to Seamus but to all of you.

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Re: Dante's inferno

Postby D@mien » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:13 pm

Gooseone wrote:
This whole "life" experience is a window for an introspective yourney , the creation of ego is a profound tell tale sign we are really good at it.

It does however many times seems so that people have their final adjustments into conceptualisation during a midlife crisis , I.E. a lot of people become closed minded after a certain age.

You summed up my feelings in the topic perfectly :)

Ii know it was in my early adolescence i started to
wonder what place i really had in this big Universe , i knew it was more then meets the eye , yet at the time general concensus drove me to go along with it only to get a great oppertunity again a few years later.

The straightforward path is there the hole time. I have since childhood heard the beat of a "different drummer" but to follow when in need of others who see difference (light/positivity/truth) as a threat can be a hard nut to crack.

It's funny how one can look up to "grown up's" as a child and as soon as one becomes one starts wondering if the "grown up's" did had the right idea :D
Luckily i don't care much for my age :lol:

I have never put much weight on age either. I see the child as enlightened in a higher degree than grownups :D . I believe the Ego "took" its grip on me in my teenage years. Before that many "grownups" either treated me as their therapist or as a judge who they had to explain their "shortcomings" to. I remember being surprised of this. As Seamus wrote in another thread "looking to be a victim where there was no action to create one. That situation makes "victims" very insecure" is how i would define those relationships.

Those numbers you keep seeing are a nice reminder that you are on a path which involves more than meets the eye ;)
Love to you to D@mien

I should know by now. Still haven't solved my trust issues totally.

Thank you for your reply :) .
Love to you Gooseone

Seamus wrote:If you, through reflection on what I said, came to the conclusion that there were ways you could have represented your thoughts better (in your own opinion) then you have yourself to thank. You are, after all, your own best teacher.

You are correct. It was my lesson to myself. Still you helped me reach that conclusion whit your post and for that i thank you. Was no intention to put you in the spot. No intention to create victims. As said before, i need to work on not being vague ;)

Thank you for your reply :) .
Love to you Seamus

I am loving this divine comedy. Parts of me (ego/fears) still do its best to make me go back to my old ways. Sometimes i feel like the cat who chase its own tail :lol: (Self-ego-self-ego)

Once again thanks for support/feedback it means a lot to me at the moment :D
Sorry if i come across as to needy.
The water will balance its flow by time.

To be wise is to recognize the traps before entering them and hence take a different route

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