roage.free-forum.net

[Joseph]

I think it is an interesting question. I don't know if any of you researched it. It is definitely a forbidden subject and can get you in big trouble in a hurry. If I were still a preacher, I can get removed by simply questioning it.

Most of you know that I have an Mdiv degree. In the Seminary, one of the biggest problem for the existence of God is the problem of "extreme" evil such as Holocaust. We had to learn theodicy and different theories of apologetics in order to defend the faith and keep people in the church.

Anyway, as someone who sometimes think outside the box, i was thinking what if it didn't actually happen? Everyone in the Seminary take Holocaust as fact without ever questioning it. After reading about different sides of the arguement, I don't think holocaust actually happened. At least it didn't happen the way the movie Schindler's list portrayed it. I could be wrong but I am fairly confident about my conclusion.

I think this is important because an event such as holocaust can affect the way a person views the world. A person can think that the supreme authority of the universe doesn't exist or doesn't give a damn. And good people can easily become unlucky and fall victims to bad people in this world.

[roage]

I think it is an interesting question. I don't know if any of you researched it. It is definitely a forbidden subject and can get you in big trouble in a hurry. If I were still a preacher, I can get removed by simply questioning it.

Most of you know that I have an Mdiv degree. In the Seminary, one of the biggest problem for the existence of God is the problem of "extreme" evil such as Holocaust. We had to learn theodicy and different theories of apologetics in order to defend the faith and keep people in the church.

Anyway, as someone who sometimes think outside the box, i was thinking what if it didn't actually happen? Everyone in the Seminary take Holocaust as fact without ever questioning it. After reading about different sides of the arguement, I don't think holocaust actually happened. At least it didn't happen the way the movie Schindler's list portrayed it. I could be wrong but I am fairly confident about my conclusion.

I think this is important because an event such as holocaust can affect the way a person views the world. A person can think that the supreme authority of the universe doesn't exist or doesn't give a damn. And good people can easily become unlucky and fall victims to bad people in this world.

The question is not did it happen but to appreciate its power.

It has allowed the manipulation of public perception by one group making themselves the victim of all others. Whether the crime occurred is not important as those who use it as the means for control.

Those who argue over its existence or non-existence miss the larger point in that a crime, no matter how horrific, is no justification for the enslavement and servitude of others.

It is a lesson for those who put on the mantle of victimization and those who place an obligation on themselves by a guilt they place on themselves because it has been made politically fashionable.

[Swift46]

really...

[roage]

really...

Nations and kingdoms of Europe had been played against one another for ages.

This is a great example of how victimization creates suffering.

First the Germans were singled out because they had become too powerful and were selected and made impotent. Their own Government conspired with those the government owed a huge debt.

Since war is the biggest money maker ever invented it was inevitable that WWI was going to start. This created massive poverty. The people looked for someone to blame because they choose to be victims. Who was blamed does not matter they could have blamed circus clowns for their problem and with enough press the people would have gone after the clowns.

When the WWII profit cycle began this victim-cycle tendency in man was again exploited. Jews were blamed for the malaise when it was largely central banking which drove the asset allocation for the necessity of war. Although many of the banks were owned by "so-called Jews" (As termed by Howard Friedman) they are markedly different from the rank-and-file normal people you meet on the street who are Jewish by faith.

The victims (Germans) demanded compensation and thus created a new group of victims. When the war was over those new victims (Jews) demanded compensation while the central banks laughed all the way...to themselves.

The cycle is still playing itself out when you look at white-supremacy groups who blame Jews for their problems.

The problem really is when you and I decide to be lazy and irresponsible and allow others (like government officials) to make all our choices for us.

Although there will always be people the Government will point a finger at as being a problem, they have to rely on lazy people to carry out their wishes.

Divide and conquer only works when we choose to operate in an "us" versus "them" paradigm which itself is absurd since, in Truth, we are simply one being wrestling with ourselves.

When you choose to be a victim of "another" you succumb to the deception that ego offers you. The beating you receive by engaging in this nonsense is supposed to teach us to stop doing it.

Are we learning yet?

Do you still consider yourself a victim of a vengeful god?

[Joseph]

I was looking for the "like" button on your last post, but then I realized that this place is not facebook.

[Swift46]

Sorry, that post was very ambiguous. I wasnt replaying that this isnt in tune with the law but rather lamenting the juxtaposition of the fact that in place of truth like this u have freaking holocaust deniars. Srsly where do you go off denying something like that, the only person we're suppost to believe is ahn yet joseph over here is off making conclusions with no research. I realize fact isnt truth but is thinking from the gut(unless you're stephen colbert) any more real? No.

If I consider myself a victim does that mean i can render god impotant

[Joseph]

Sorry, that post was very ambiguous. I wasnt replaying that this isnt in tune with the law but rather lamenting the juxtaposition of the fact that in place of truth like this u have freaking holocaust deniars. Srsly where do you go off denying something like that, the only person we're suppost to believe is ahn yet joseph over here is off making conclusions with no research. I realize fact isnt truth but is thinking from the gut(unless you're stephen colbert) any more real? No.

If I consider myself a victim does that mean i can render god impotant

I like your post when it was short. when it gets long, it makes no sense. It takes too much effort to read.

When Holocaust happened, were you there? No. You weren't. Then where did you learn about Holocaust? Are those sources trust worthy? If something is in the text book, does it mean it is true? Is everything your teacher said true?

You are not going to be too awake until you start questioning all assumptions including everything on this forum. No assumptions are sacred. Of all things Holocaust is one of the hardest things to question.

Karma is a bitch. There will be a time when you grow up and start questioning things, people will say you are crazy and will try to ostracise you from their community.

If you want to learn about both sides of the argument, there are too many good threads on David Icke forum.

[Swift46]

When Holocaust happened, were you there? No. You weren't. Then where did you learn about Holocaust? Are those sources trust worthy? If something is in the text book, does it mean it is true? Is everything your teacher said true?

first of all red herring, no i dont believe that the government has our best intrests at heart and isnt working around the clock to take away our priveleges, (but then again it really isnt releavent to my experience that much) but saying that every historical fact is a lie is... and btw my grandparents are jewish and yes I do trust them, the implication in ur statement is that every jew lied about the holocaust infact i dont think you even thought about the millions of people that have been through it.

Karma is a bitch. There will be a time when you grow up and start questioning things, people will say you are crazy and will try to ostracise you from their community.

So your saying part of my evolution as a being is taking on every counterculteral belief possible and being rediculed by society... yeahh. Funny how you chose to include that last part about being ostracised for no reason, some people see the glass half empty, others see the glass half full, throught intuition i would argue that the glass is full, full of air, but then again physics tells us that the glass is mostly empty space. btw we're trying to keep this forum a friendly place for ppl who are still growing up like me so please dont use a derogatory term for women, or female dog, see im questioning the assumptions in the way ur using b*tch. Heres an anticulteral thought thats been brought to my mind best explained by a quote from marge simpson, " real friends arnt random people who you meet at a daycare, they are random people that you meet at a college dorm." Its the way this world has been made to work. In following that train of thought im wondering why poligamy is banned cuz In the church if we ever questioned it we could get excommunicated. We're beings of love so we should marry many people(read this at icke) I can argue that the most loving people in the world are rapists, theyre so full of love that they just want to share it with everyone, no matter if the other person wants it or not. Finally, David icke is about the biggest collection of trolls, half arsed posts and pointless unresearched speculation on the internetz. (re:reptilians)

[Joseph]

first of all red herring, no i dont believe that the government has our best intrests at heart and isnt working around the clock to take away our priveleges, (but then again it really isnt releavent to my experience that much) but saying that every historical fact is a lie is... and btw my grandparents are jewish and yes I do trust them, the implication in ur statement is that every jew lied about the holocaust infact i dont think you even thought about the millions of people that have been through it.

I don't actually know about holocaust with absolute certainty. that's why I want to hear other people's opinion. But your response was perceived as an effort to attack intellectual inquiry and free speech. I like to say crap like "holocaust didn't happen" just to see how people react. It's funny that those who are labelled as "holocaust deniers" are looked at as more guilty than those nazi's who actually killed the Jews. For a lot of people, a thought crime is worse than an actual crime.

So your saying part of my evolution as a being is taking on every counterculteral belief possible and being rediculed by society... yeahh. Funny how you chose to include that last part about being ostracised for no reason. btw we're trying to keep this forum a friendly place for ppl who are still growing up like me so please dont use a derogatory term for women, or female dog, see im questioning the assumptions in the way ur using b*tch. Heres an anticulteral thought thats been brought to my mind best explained by a quote from marge simpson, " real friends arnt random people who you meet at a daycare, they are random people that you meet at a college dorm." Its the way this world has been made to work. In following that train of thought im wondering why poligamy is banned cuz In the church if we ever questioned it we could get excommunicated. We're beings of love so we should marry many people(read this at icke) I can argue that the most loving people in the world are rapists, theyre so full of love that they just want to share it with everyone, no matter if the other person wants it or not. Finally, David icke is about the biggest collection of trolls, half arsed posts and pointless unresearched speculation on the internetz. (re:reptilians)

ummm...you are the one who was being unfriendly in the first place. don't call me an holocaust denier who didn't do any research because it is not true. don't belittle people. I was asking a question in my first post. If you want to disagree, there is a way to do it without judgment and labels.

David Icke forum is quite helpful if you apply discernment. I found this place through David Icke. I learned who killed JFK with absolute certainty. I learned that we didn't go to the moon with absolute certainty. The 911 stuff confirmed by suspecion. The trolls are there to test your patience and to assist you with emotional disciple. The half assed posts are put there to test your discernment and to sharpen your intellect.

[Swift46]

ummm...you are the one who was being unfriendly in the first place.

yep, the jewish poeple dont count, ha! what an oxymoron that is.