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[thequestforthequest]

1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 13 Thou shalt not kill. 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 Thou shalt not steal. 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

(Exodus 20:1-17)


my summary:

1. Thou shalt not have other gods but Ø.
2. Thou shalt not make graven images.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of Ø in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honour thy father and mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.



34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(Matthew 22:34-40)

[thequestforthequest]

my question:

commandment number 4, "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy".

is it enforced?
saturday or sunday?

[Deckard666]

Now look at it from a manipulator's view:

1. At no cost: Tell one group their day off is saturday.
2. At no cost: Tell another group their day off is sunday.
3. Priceless: Watch them discuss, fight and kill themselves for 6000 years about who's right.

Now ask yourself the question: WHY would it be important for the Great Maker which day you take off?

Namaste,

Deckard666

[thequestforthequest]

Hm I thought so that it was not important.

question about Commandment number 10:

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods, [...] nor thy neighbors wife

Is the wife of the neighbor his property? Usually in the present time, in the 'western world' a woman is a free individual as a man is.

Lets assume for the sake of discussion there is a married couple both souvereigns, who made an enforcable marriage contract.
Lets call the man Alfred and the woman Mary.

Now, lets assume I am a not married which is so.

When I covet Alfred's wife by looking at her in a lecherous or interested way, I am not in violation because Mary is a free souvereign woman, right.

But if she looks back at me in a lecherous or interested way, she might be in violation because of her marriage contract, correct?

Or am I in violation, because I tempted the woman to sin?

[thequestforthequest]

Question about commandment number 2: "Thou shalt not make graven images."

marmor busts and many paintings are a violation when they depict "graven images" like

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth

So making an image of anywhing worldly or material is a violation whether in your mind or via painting,photography, movies, or any other manner in which you can make "an image" of worldly things.

taking pictures with a foto or video camera is a violation. movies are a violation.

[thequestforthequest]

Now look at it from a manipulator's view:

1. At no cost: Tell one group their day off is saturday.
2. At no cost: Tell another group their day off is sunday.
3. Priceless: Watch them discuss, fight and kill themselves for 6000 years about who's right.

Now ask yourself the question: WHY would it be important for the Great Maker which day you take off?

Namaste,

Deckard666

And, because, you still liked to have even more bloodshed, you create a 3rd group and tell them, their day off is friday.

[curiotrope]

So making an image of anywhing worldly or material is a violation whether in your mind or via painting,photography, movies, or any other manner in which you can make "an image" of worldly things.

Or am I in violation, because I tempted the woman to sin?

commandment number 4, "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy".
is it enforced?
saturday or sunday?

Thequestforthequest, why do you care? I thought you were done with all that religious crap. Taking a happy walk down memory lane?

[thequestforthequest]

WHY would it be important for the Great Maker which day you take off?

It is about order.
its about culture.

This society I live in and my way of life is so degenerate, liberal and godless.

Well, lets all do as we like and have no order at all,
the bakery bakes 50 loafs of bread, and tomorrow no bread at all because the baker feels like taking a vacation.
chaos. anarchy.
that cant be the answer.

so why is it important.

rituals are important.
they provide a sense of security.
and a sense of fellowship and community.

imagine spending every saturday with your extended family commemorating the sabath.
or every sunday with your extended family first going to church, afterwards a great family sunday breakfast.
and you can count on the fact that next sunday you are going to do the same.
stress at work on friday? riots in the street? houses are burning down? you are so stressed loose your mind.

but on sunday everything is calm and quiet and you spend a nice sunday with your extended family.
and on monday you go back to the fight.


I agree with Hitler on a lot of points. (Please don't burn me for it)
Germany should be more like Great Britain and the united States.
We need the death sentence. We need public torture. We need to burn heretics at the stake to make an example of them.

We need rituals we can count on.

In Hitler's Germany no body would have turned an abandoned church into a bank, or take a church down by controlled demolition. I do not intend in any way to romanticize or glorify the 1930s. I would not do that.
I am talking about the present. 2011.

godlessness is not freedom it is slavery.

We need rituals.

Don't worry, I have a sense of humour, I am not going to act upon these statements.

[curiotrope]

rituals are important.
they provide a sense of security.
and a sense of fellowship and community.

I understand what you're saying. Rituals please my ego, too. But what does your SELF need the ritual for? What does your inner observer need protection from? In my case, the answer is that my inner observer doesn't need anything except something interesting to observe. My ego needs lots of things, and "security" is high on the list of "needs".

[Deckard666]

Well the ten commandments are right now part of the Law written down by Roger. And they're simply made up. They all sound good as if they were coming from the Great Maker but they aren't. There is no God in the Old Testament ... only the big trickster. The Old Testament is simply a description from setting up a new system of control for 3 world ages. The Old Testament describes 2 world ages. The New Testament describes the actual world age. Revelation has a short preview of 1000 years into the next age. And btw the ten commandments were the old covenant with the Jews. The age of pisces has a new covenant without them.

Don't get me wrong: The ten commandments as words of guidance are ok but they are not part of the Law. If you take the Contract Law that Roger found out you don't need the ten commandments anymore because the Divine Law simply contains them.

1. No other God before me. Right. That's why Islam doesn't work of Christianity doesn't work. "Praised be Allah and Mohammed his prophet." OUCH. "Jesus Christ my saviour." OUCH.

2. No graven image. Don't think outside world, pictures, paintings, sculptures. Think "mind"/"your head". The graven image sold by deluded people (which prefer to wear women clothing) to you as "God" which sticks in your mind. The old bearded man is such a graven image. Attached to it christian maniplation. Leads you nowhere.

3. Not taking the name in vain. It's not "Godamnit!" Roger explained that wonderful. Look it up. But do we need that as a special commandment? Nope.

4. Sabbath day. That's a pure slave master's dream. Work six days for the trickster god and get one day off. If I find out a way to get all my weekly work done in 4 days why should I work 2 more days? Am I to good for the game?

5. Honor father and mother. We already had that: They are slaves as their parents were etc. - Roger was sure they aren't enforced anymore and yes they make no sense in the current condition. The trickster god likes the idea of honoring your parents. Why? Well they raise the next generation of slaves based upon their manipulation. Of course he wants you to honor them because he wants them to make good slaves out of you.

6. Not kill. Well ... cause and effect. You know that from the Law. You don't need an extra commandment to tell you that killing isn't such a good idea. Trickster god: You just killed one of his slaves ... slave. His property, his energy.

7. Marriage is a contract. You put the rules in you want. If both agree to have sexual relations besides their marriage it's not adultery. Don't need that extra commandment. It's only interesting for the trickster god: Make something unnatural from a natural act. Pervert it.

8. Not steal. Same thing as 6. Exact same message. Cause and effect. Again only interesting for the trickster god. First: Everything belongs to him anyway (see human law for yourself ... we do not own anything because we do not have money to pay for it - and every licence is giving property away in exchange for the right to use it). Second the slave system works because he wants us to work for everything and pay for it and get taxes from it. He gains. We lose. No free rides in his game.

9. No false witness. Against thy neighbor. "A neighbourhood or neighborhood is a geographically localised community within a larger city, town or suburb ." (says Wiki). Wow. So none of you here is within my neighborhood. Does that mean I can bear false witness against you? Well my God wouldn't want me to bear false witness against anyone on this planet. And again this commandment is the same as 6 or 8 as it deals with cause and effect. That was no joke with the neighborhood. We're talking law (language) here. And this commandment clearly says that it is ok to lie to everybody who happens to live outside your neighborhood.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's. Now if I visit Roger this commandment doesn't apply right? Not from my neighborhood (unfortunately he can now bear false witness against me as I am not from his neighborhood ... *have to be careful* ). I love this one from a manipulator's view. There is a similair commandment in human law: Thou shalt not play 3D egoshooters if you aren't 18 years old. And guess what all the 14 year old kids play? Right. If I want to make something interesting for you I forbid it. And you can also extract this commandment from the Divine Law. Desire is food for the ego. And that's what all the people in the neighborhood do when they meet ... XXX has that new car, YYY has a new boat, ZZZ was in Egypt on vacation blahblahblah ...

Namaste,

Deckard666