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If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby permie1 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:20 pm

Hello everyone

First I would like to welcome all the new members, swiftex, mark10000, WolfSpiral, ScarrletFlower111, Meeha83, Telma and Denise... wonderful to have you on board :D .
Second from reading some of the posts I thought I would share this interesting post from Ariel Bravy. I came upon this thanks to maja who forwarded another post from this site. In light of all the questions asked here recently, I thought this post comes extremely close to what has already been expressed on this forum and thus may help clarify some questions about enlightenment. Quite frankly I could not have expressed it any better than Ariel did so this is why I feel comfortable in posting it here. :P
So here it is.

http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlight ... ing-label/
Enjoy :mrgreen:
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby D@mien » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:59 pm

Hello everyone

Hello pemie1,
Nice to hear from you again :)
First I would like to welcome all the new members, swiftex, mark10000, WolfSpiral, ScarrletFlower111, Meeha83, Telma and Denise... wonderful to have you on board .

+1
Second from reading some of the posts I thought I would share this interesting post from Ariel Bravy. I came upon this thanks to maja who forwarded another post from this site. In light of all the questions asked here recently, I thought this post comes extremely close to what has already been expressed on this forum and thus may help clarify some questions about enlightenment. Quite frankly I could not have expressed it any better than Ariel did so this is why I feel comfortable in posting it here.
So here it is.

http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlight ... ing-label/
Enjoy

A lot of food for thoughts there :)
I myself must admit that from the beginning I was being somewhat naive of the consequences of this 'awakening'.
That was/is probably necessary though to sign up (as if there was really a choice ;) ) for this ride.

Warning: All your beloved attachments are going to be taken away from you. Everything you hold near and dear to your heart you must be completely and utterly willing to lose them. The more you hold onto them, the more you’ll suffer. It is only in the willingness to let go that find your freedom. By the way, letting go as a technique to trick the universe into granting your freedom, as in saying that you let go while peeking over your shoulder to see what’s to come, that doesn’t cut it. You can’t B.S. your way there. Believe me, I’ve tried… No one else has been able to pull that one off either.


Believe me, I’ve tried to :o

Warning: Your ego will throw fits. Your painbody will go crazy. Your buttons will get pushed. Your ego will throw out every trick in its book. When you start learning how to get past its tricks, it’ll become more sneaky and subtle. As you advance, your ego advances. It all happens to bring more awareness to the energies within, to help you let go of that which you previously have been unconscious to.


Cheeky bugger the ego :mrgreen:

Warning: You must come out of hiding. All the dark stuff within you that you haven’t been wanting to look at and be truthful about, it’ll all come up to the surface. All that stuff you hide from other people, the things you don’t want to show to others or to yourself, your inside will become your outside. There’s no hiding ANYTHING from anyone. It’s a deep deep level of vulnerability, sincerity, and self-honesty.


Everything was so easy when one could cast blame on others. From a knight in shiny armor in to a beggar in rags :(

Warning: The more you begin living in the moment and letting go of the domination of your consciousness by your mind, you may begin experiencing memory loss. Whole blocks of memory will begin falling away. It’s not exactly like Alzehimer’s, but there very well may be some significant loss of short-term and/or long-term memory as you begin relying less upon memory and more upon a deeper intuitive knowingness.


Frightening at first. Could raise doubts of, is this the right path.
Emancipating when one lets go. Now where did I put the keys :?

Warning: You may experience cycles of confusion and clarity. In one moment you may be very wise, deep, loving, and compassionate, and in the next moment the cloudiness of the veil will return and you will no longer have a clue as to what’s going on. You may become sucked right back into your ego, experiencing your deepest and darkest fears.


In the eye of the hurricane realizations awaits and the dawn of a new way. I'm sorry where was I, oh yeah I was going to pronounce myself king of the meek. I'm only fooling. Dose that make me a fool. Oh no it can't be so :oops:

Warning: You don’t get anything as a result of awakening. There’s no thing you get as a prize such as a good feeling such as a constant never-ending wonderful enlightened experience or a boost to your self-esteem. (What self would we be talking about anyways who has a self-esteem?) You get nothing, but BOY what a nothing it is. By seeing that you ARE that nothingness, and that you ARE the entire universe arising from that nothingness, you realize that what you ARE is already more than anything that could ever be wanted, as Gangaji so beautifully puts it.


Damn. I was hoping I would sit and chuckle on a spiritual throne, loved and adored by all. Where is the buy-out clause ;)


:D :D :D
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby Seamus » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:12 am

you ARE the entire universe arising from that nothingness, you realize that what you ARE is already more than anything that could ever be wanted, as Gangaji so beautifully puts it.


You are a...
Ripple in still water.
Where there is no pebble tossed,
nor wind to blow....
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Of all the people who ever had anything to do with the Grateful Dead, I'd like to meet Robert Hunter. He had the most right-brained lyrics I've ever heard. Sometimes pure vision flows from his words. Of course, they're not really his. But it would be neat to hang with someone who knows how to get out of the way of Ø and let It write some poetry.
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby maja » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:19 am

Warning: The more you begin living in the moment and letting go of the domination of your consciousness by your mind, you may begin experiencing memory loss. Whole blocks of memory will begin falling away. It’s not exactly like Alzehimer’s, but there very well may be some significant loss of short-term and/or long-term memory as you begin relying less upon memory and more upon a deeper intuitive knowingness.

This happens to me more and more often... when trying to say something (even if I thought it was pretty important at the time) if I get distracted just by a moment I completely forget what I wanted and sometimes even what it was about. :roll: I kind of realised it was a symptom of the process. But it doesn't feel good at all...I bet it's not supposed to.Fairly like your losing it. Well, that's what losing control is.

Warning: You must accept that you’ll never “get there,” that you’ll never “arrive.” You could spend an entire lifetime on this journey and never wake up. Indeed that has happened to many people. In fact, so long as you cling to your desire to get somewhere, you’ll never actually wake up to what’s already here. You must surrender completely your desire to succeed in your path of awakening. You must accept the fact that you may embark on the journey, never to actually get enlightened.

And this is what is bugging me.... if only I could let go off it NOW! Even this sentence shows the same boundary of mine. How am I not supposed to care for the only thing that cares BEFORE realising it does not matter one way or the other? Sorry if this sounds like jibberish, it is not another memory loss :lol:

Thank you Permie!
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby roage » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:59 pm

D@mien wrote:[Does] that make me a fool. Oh no it can't be so :oops:


The fool card in the Tarot deck is often misunderstood as being someone who is stupid or inattentive and therefore bad things happen to them. That is not so. He is one who is quite at home with whatever fortune brings to him. He has no regrets, no worry and more importantly no fear.
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby D@mien » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:31 pm

roage wrote:
D@mien wrote:[Does] that make me a fool. Oh no it can't be so :oops:


The fool card in the Tarot deck is often misunderstood as being someone who is stupid or inattentive and therefore bad things happen to them. That is not so. He is one who is quite at home with whatever fortune brings to him. He has no regrets, no worry and more importantly no fear.


Was just fooling around :). I sense that you picked that up. Wanted to clarify non the less.
What you say about the fool is true and it made me think about a book that i appreciated a couple of years back, namely "The Tao of Pooh". Pooh is in much what the western culture see as the fool. Where in the east, at least in Tao thinking, his character is seen as "The Uncarved Block". One of the 'purest' ways of being. I think his honesty, carefreeness and simplicity is why he is liked/accepted by children. As said before, children in my eyes is often more enlightened then the grownups. They see the world with their heart.

One of the basic principles of Taoism is P'U, the Uncarved Block. The essence of
the Uncarved Block is that things in their original simplicity contain their own
natural power, power that is easily spoiled and lost when that simplicity is
changed - "The Tao of Pooh"


The fool, or the jester, had a interesting part in the kings court. On wikipedia this part stood out.

The fool's status was one of privilege within a royal or noble household. His folly could be regarded as the raving of a madman but was often deemed to be divinely inspired. The 'natural' fool was touched by God. Much to Gonerill's annoyance, Lear's 'all-licensed' Fool enjoys a privileged status. His characteristic idiom suggests he is a 'natural' fool, not an artificial one, though his perceptiveness and wit show that he is far from being an idiot, however 'touched' he might be.


Estetecly (spelling?) it is one of my favorite cards in the Waites tarot deck. And it is also one that has a high frequency of appearances when i pull a card from the deck.

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The Fool is the spirit in search of experience. He represents the mystical cleverness bereft of reason within us, the childlike ability to tune into the inner workings of the world. The sun shining behind him represents the divine nature of the Fool's wisdom and exuberance, holy madness or 'crazy wisdom'. On his back are all the possessions he might need. In his hand there is a flower, showing his appreciation of beauty. He is frequently accompanied by a dog, sometimes seen as his animal desires, sometimes as the call of the "real world", nipping at his heels and distracting him. He is seemingly unconcerned that he is standing on a precipice, apparently about to step off. One of the keys to the card is the paradigm of the precipice, Zero and the sometimes represented oblivious Fool's near-step into the oblivion.


Thank you for your answer which led me to seek this information. Information that gave me answers on questions i have carried. It truly is a miracle how answers come in the correct time. Got to love it :)
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby roage » Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:16 pm

D@mien wrote:Thank you for your answer which led me to seek this information. Information that gave me answers on questions i have carried. It truly is a miracle how answers come in the correct time. Got to love it :)


As always ego would be happy to take credit for things it really had nothing to do with. Life is like the precipice. Just relax and lean forward and gravity takes care of the rest.
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby D@mien » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:59 pm

roage wrote:
D@mien wrote:Thank you for your answer which led me to seek this information. Information that gave me answers on questions i have carried. It truly is a miracle how answers come in the correct time. Got to love it :)


As always ego would be happy to take credit for things it really had nothing to do with.

Dont i know it ;)
All the best to you (ego and all) non the less :)
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby WolfSpiral » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:02 pm

Thanks for the welcome and what a great post! =)
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Re: If Enlightenment Came with a Warning Label…

Postby swiftex » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:23 pm

permie1 wrote:Hello everyone

First I would like to welcome all the new members, swiftex, mark10000, WolfSpiral, ScarrletFlower111, Meeha83, Telma and Denise... wonderful to have you on board :D .
Second from reading some of the posts I thought I would share this interesting post from Ariel Bravy. I came upon this thanks to maja who forwarded another post from this site. In light of all the questions asked here recently, I thought this post comes extremely close to what has already been expressed on this forum and thus may help clarify some questions about enlightenment. Quite frankly I could not have expressed it any better than Ariel did so this is why I feel comfortable in posting it here. :P
So here it is.

http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlight ... ing-label/
Enjoy :mrgreen:



Well thank you very much! That was a nice gesture :D :D :D
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