roage.free-forum.net

[Moose]

When that which is god—or that which is that which man wants to call "God"—is being understood by man, man has to translate it into the format he understands. But this Energy—this Source that man is giving the label of "God", cannot be quantified in anything that man understands. And as man attempts to do it, the distortions are enormous.

[roage]

When that which is god—or that which is that which man wants to call "God"—is being understood by man, man has to translate it into the format he understands. But this Energy—this Source that man is giving the label of "God", cannot be quantified in anything that man understands. And as man attempts to do it, the distortions are enormous.

I'm hip!

[Seamus]

But what's really going to bake your noodle is the question: Did Ø intend for those distortions to arise in the first place?

[Jay1984]

I have been thinking about this myself alot lately the nature of the exisitance of god or a higher intelligence especially after reading God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Im far from having any answers but have plenty of questions. But perhaps the first thing to do is stop calling whatever it is God as any existing higehr intelligence or entity should not be associated with God in the Abrahamic sense.

One thing im certain of is the christian jewish muslim God does not exsist in that sense It is impossible for an entity to be all powerful and all knowing at the same time if a being were all knowing it would see time as a whole therefore would have known the consequences and results of say eating of the forbidden fruit as an example and would have no reason to place the tree in the first place unless god wanted adam and eve to take a bite. This could also could filter down to examples with natural disasters etc and the evil that has been carried out in the world and all knowing all powerful god simply would not let this happen regardless of arguments about free will.

This leads to other possibilities if God exists it exsists as exsistance itself god is the whole universe including ourselves in that case the universe/god although conscious and sentinent would have no more knowledge of human plight than would we know the plight of one of our red blood cells or brain cells. We could infact liken ourselfs to cells that make up this entity.

One common mistake that people make is that people believe something simple has to be created by something more complicated but buy looking at evolution and physics the exact reverse is apparent atoms becoming solar systems planets etc, and bacteria becoming more complicated animals. The only exception to this law is technology a human creation a hammer (simple) being made by a human (complex) however at second glance you can see an evolution of technology with things such as basic tools leading to complex factory machines leading to generators and eventually computers and artificial intelligence.

Therefore this higher intelligence is likely to be made up and comprised of us (the less complex predecessor) with us being its creator. While the human body is in the womb it could be argued that its cells have more knowledge than a phoetus each sell knows what its suppose to do and carries out its function. In this nature god is gestating in the womb and perhaps dosent exsist in the literal sense yet! However we will create got as we have been doing for thousands of years in the form of human imagination who is to say what is the difference between imagination and reality every physical human creation started out as imagination. This is were I really like what roage had to say in the form of us all being one side of crystal and all essentially being one. Human collective consciousness combined creates the entity commonly called god.

As to the answer of whether the universe was created by a god gods, or even ourselves, or just exisited by accident will lay in mathematics with the solution of how can absolute zero nothingness (vacuum of space) lead to existance an atom. Perhaps one of our problems is our concept of time being linear that every thing has to have a beggining a middle and an end which leads to our confussion?

Well its late and thats all i have something to say for now tho im sure roage will have something cool to post either agreeing or disagreeing!

[Moose]

I have been thinking about this myself alot lately the nature of the exisitance of god or a higher intelligence especially after reading God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Im far from having any answers but have plenty of questions. But perhaps the first thing to do is stop calling whatever it is God as any existing higehr intelligence or entity should not be associated with God in the Abrahamic sense.

In The God Delusion, Dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. He is sympathetic to Robert Pirsig's observation in Lila that "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

So, What i Hear and what i recieve through emotion on a daily basis is nothing more than oneself being insaine and under the delusion of religion.
Once again a Man speaks, and people follow.

One thing im certain of is the christian jewish muslim God does not exsist in that sense It is impossible for an entity to be all powerful and all knowing at the same time if a being were all knowing it would see time as a whole therefore would have known the consequences and results of say eating of the forbidden fruit as an example and would have no reason to place the tree in the first place unless god wanted adam and eve to take a bite. This could also could filter down to examples with natural disasters etc and the evil that has been carried out in the world and all knowing all powerful god simply would not let this happen regardless of arguments about free will.

Have you read the site content.
Maybe there was no Apple. Instead man decided he could create better thus snapped a branch of a tree thus needing to know how it worked for the purpose of making it better.
This is what Man does on a daily basis still. Kills, destroys, places under the microscope when there was nothing wrong with it in the begining.
Apples are not apples as such any more they come from grafted tree's - ~Mutant tress, Man considers this an achivcement.
This can be called evil. Blame evil pushing the responsbillty away from one's self.

The only exception to this law is technology a human creation a hammer (simple) being made by a human (complex) however at second glance you can see an evolution of technology with things such as basic tools leading to complex factory machines leading to generators and eventually computers and artificial intelligence.

Man makes many things, They all brake, They require asistance. Nature still manages to grow a Weed within a concrete wall.
Once again Man trying to make things better than they already are.

While the human body is in the womb it could be argued that its cells have more knowledge than a phoetus each sell knows what its suppose to do and carries out its function.

Indeed these clever cells follow instructions. But from where does one cell being an individual get that instruction.

As to the answer of whether the universe was created by a god gods, or even ourselves, or just exisited by accident will lay in mathematics with the solution of how can absolute zero nothingness (vacuum of space) lead to existance an atom. Perhaps one of our problems is our concept of time being linear that every thing has to have a beggining a middle and an end which leads to our confussion?

Confusion comes with no reasurance from our so clever scientists that write the rules and books informing us there verson is correct leaving us no space to conclude in our own minds what the answer is.

When you cross the line, and the invisble, unbeliveable starts speaking direct to one. You first have the sense of how stupid you feel knowing what is truth and what you once believed to be truth.

[roage]

It is when we look beyond for the meaning and surprisingly find it where things become special. Often the last thing we do is search for the "why" because we assume there is no reason. When it starts making sense then we bend over backwards trying to ignore it.