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[Joseph]

Let's assume I already know all the basic theories required. I have lots of questions now that I am starting the process. It will take a long time for me because I have a super busy life unfortunately.

1. Eating.

I actually did try to fight my ego last summer. TKO round 1. One thing I tried was fasting. Strangely my hunger went away after day 1. Day 2 I felt kind of good. Day 3 I was high. I am guessing not eating is a bad idea. So do make sure I get nourished but eat really blend food? That's what monks do in a monastery. Lots of monasteries don't actually eat past noon. This will be a problem for me because I don't cook.

2. Flogging one's self.

I don't mean it literally. I know Jesuit monks invented the whole flogging yourself thing in order to get sovereignty. Well for example, Stuart Wilde said he takes cold shower. That to me is the same is flogging one's self. I know the objective is starve the ego out. But do we need to punish ourselves by taking cold shower? I have also heard that monks in Tabet climb a high mountain wearing practically nothing. Some die from doing that.

3. Talking

I have heard many people who say avoid talking - ignore the urge to talk. If one has to talk, make the words count. That's will be nearly impossible for me because I am a professional bullshit artist by trade. (if you believe that Jesus is the son of god, then you will go to heaven. yeah right.) Okay, I have been convinced that lying can be okay under some unusual circumstance especially mine. The problem with lying is that it protects our fictional ego mask and reinforce the ego in the process. So if we have to lie out of necessity like my case without protecting or strengthening my own ego, then it is okay since I will be lying in an unselfish way. It sounds strange but that' the best way I can put it.

[Gemini]

Hi Joseph, From my limited understanding, I too have recently started out on this amazing journey, I don't think that there is any reason to make any vast changes in regard to the food you eat. I read something, I believe it was Ryanon who mentioned it on a thread, that he eats intuitively, he said this had worked for him and he had lost weight because of it. Also, I drink alcohol, perhaps it was too often than I should have done, I didn't make any changes, but I have found that I fancy a drink less and less now, so I reckon as you become more connected to Ø the bad habits we have tend to just fade away. Flogging one's self...lol, well, only if the self wants it I suppose. I also find talking helps a lot. I am lucky enough to have a wonderful partner I can share my thoughts with and I find this especially beneficial as I am able to 'see' more of what I'm thinking, if that makes any sense? It helps me sort a lot of stuff out.
I would just say go with what feels 'right' to you, don't try to force the process along, Ø knows when we are ready to move along to the next step.
Hope I have helped a little xx

[Ryanon]

Excellent Words Gemini

Likewise, I used to love a drink at the weekends but have noticed very recently I am actually going off it That is not to say I will never open a beer again but that I tend to be more following what I am feeling inside than the thought of how I will feel if I partake!

Correct on the food too, I began with Intuitive eating and have lost 70lb + with listening to the internal signals! This has also led me to cutting out meat but I do eat dairy....again its not a necessary step but a personal feeling of where I feel good! I can not even say whether this will be how I will always be, as I will do what my body signals me to do (My True Self) Its about having 100% trust in Ø and being guided

The Ego I am realising is just the child in this relationship which wishes to control everything and have its own way regardless of how it reflects on others, It needs loving and education from the true self, to work in partnership and create the whole picture of reality. It was allowed to dictate diets and eating plans with me and like a child knew best and resulted in health problems. Since listening to my true self I have corrected the wrongs and educated the Ego which stands back and allows the intuitive eating to take place without much effort now...takes about 3 weeks to educate the blighter though

Using the example of Intuitive eating and expanding this to all areas of this game would result in the ego sitting down at the desk and learning, it needs to be around as it most certainly has things that it can teach the observer and even the self (in regards to experience thus far)

Dont kick the wee man, cuddle him, teach him and allow him to become the apprentice to Ø....he needs love too and when he gets that he will be more open to giving it!

Goodness I have just rambled without thinking....Please forgive

[Nect4r$]

A couple of suggestions that work really well for it(or at least in my case), mainly centred around confrontation with it. They mainly deal with question 2 though could be applied to 1 as well. The following is mostly guiding pointers from the clip series of "Revolver" which I've found invaluable(i take it you've seem them? Their in the media section, clip two and three in particular) with a couple of suggestions I've noticed through other work.

"The more sophisticated the game the more sophisticated the oppontent"

"The opponent will try to convice you that he doesn't exist" -VERY important!

"Your protecting him Mr.Green... but with what? Wheres the best place an opponent should hide? In the very last place you'd ever look. He's hiding behind your pain Jake. Embrace the pain, and you will win this game."

"Wherever you dont want to go, thats where you'll find him"

"What is it that your afraid of Mr.Green?"

"Use any means possible to induce head pain(discomfort) and engage the enemy"

"If you cant do it, then your controlled, your not a Free man"

"If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control"

"The biggest con the enemy ever pulled, was convincing you that he was you"

Watch how it continually tries to quietly slip into the background "as us" when in any normal situation("convincing us it doesn't exist"). I've found by looking at our aversions(tendencies to avoid) in life we can quickly reverse this, and this can be applied in the moment regardless of what your doing -busy or not.

A few example questions for bringing the bugger up. "What do you tend to do that you feel at some level you shouldn't?", "What do you tend to avoid that at some level know you should be doing?", "What are your Likes/dislikes? -preferences" Answering these and similar questions directly confronts the headpest as it exposes its hiding place more clearly. Remember even though its always there chattering, its more readily apparent when thrust into a situation it cant stand. Like Ryanon mentioned, it acts like a child and is usually infuriated and loses complete control of itself when you do this.

"If the opponent is very good, he will place the victim inside an environment he can control. The bigger the environment, the easier the control. Toss the dog a bone, find their weakness and give them just enough of what they want. So the opponent simply distracts their victim by getting them consumed with their own consumption."

The other place to watch for it is "taking credit". If you or someone else does something, or you have a "realization" of something, the ego automatically attempts to take credit for it. This actually happens in around 1/10,000th of a second going by muscle testing results.

Watch the clip series many times, they really are invaluable.

Hope this helps dude

[Ryanon]

Very Very Nice Nect4r$

[Joseph]

Thanks all!

@ Gemini: About the speaking part, I got that idea from the Buddhist 8 fold path. I tried to follow the 8 fold path BTW and failed miserably last summer. Also I realized that the 8 fold path doesn't deal with your shadow self. Right speech is the 2nd of the 8 fold path and is considered very important. Mainly the point of right speech from what I understand is that you don't feed your ego energy from speaking. One way you do that is do tell lies to boost your self identity and to reinforce your ego mask. But by resisting the urge to speak at all, you are not feeding the ego energy. It's like the child in you as Ryan puts it wants to talk all the time, and you are discipline the child by not talking. When you do speak, you make every word count. I don't know if that is true or not, but that's the source of my idea.

I don't know if I mentioned it in the forum or not, but my father right now is a Buddhist monk. He is not enlightened yet, and I plan to beat him to it. (that's my ego speaking. ) I think Buddhist monastery is very good at disciplining the ego. They follow the 8 fold path strickly, and also the lifestyle is very harsh to the ego. The ego wants to sleep, but they don't get enough sleep. They only sleep like 5 hours a day. They eat blend vegetarian food, and drink only water. They do tedius chores, meditate, study, and drive their ego crazy with koans.

But I don't think they do anything with their dark contents. That's probably why some monks are enlightened right away, but many takes a long time like decades.

Edit to add: I have been told by many people that alcohol disconnects you from your Self and cut you off from the SA. Again I don't know if that's true or not, but I have been told to quit cold turkey in the past, and I have. I don't drink anymore.

[Seamus]

Let's assume I already know all the basic theories required. I have lots of questions now that I am starting the process. It will take a long time for me because I have a super busy life unfortunately.
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The basic theories that underlie this process are fundamentals of divine law. Their understanding cannot be assumed. Because once you understand Divine Law, and (very important) ask God for personal help (trusting that you will receive help), the process moves along very quickly. There are no rules, regimens or practices that will speed or improve the process, because you are dealing with the being who made you. S/He knows exactly what adjustments need to be made, and when to make them. Trusting your Creator will get you much further along than any discipline. Thinking that your discipline avails you will actually hinder you (the flesh profits nothing). The exception to that rule being: disciplining oneself to dwell on the good, beautiful, lovely, praiseworthy and divine will indeed open your eyes to see more of the same, and facilitate the process.

We don't really want to 'kick' our ego... we just want to put the little fellow back in his proper place. It took me a long time to learn that.

[Gemini]

But by resisting the urge to speak at all, you are not feeding the ego energy. It's like the child in you as Ryan puts it wants to talk all the time, and you are discipline the child by not talking. When you do speak, you make every word count. I don't know if that is true or not, but that's the source of my idea.

Its funny you should say that, I have noticed recently that when I am in situations that I would have normally had a great deal to say about, I can't speak. I have words in my head, I know what it is I want to say, I just don't seem to be able to speak them, a bit like being mute. I have thought about this a lot and I think it is because I have started to go with the flow, so to speak. Whereas before I may have just lumbered in regardless with my opinion, now I find it easier to still that desire, not saying I don't still muck it up now and then sometimes though... but I find it happening less and less, so yes, I think as a natural progression you really do end up making every word count. xx

[Ryanon]

Very similar with the speaking thing! I have found that I tend to be more quiet on issues that before would have resulted in a lot to say! I also tend to ponder inside before I do offer any thoughts...Its like a double check that its truly what I want to say.

Rather than ranting at things that once would annoy I have caught myself just giving a little sigh and moving on LOL

Didn't know that about alcohol though Joseph There was me thinking I was getting the head pest sloshed and unable to do or say much HAHAHHAA Maybe it depends on the type of person and how they react to alcohol...I have seen a few who go really aggressive and can totally buy into their probable disconnection. I personally am a happy guy with a beer and tend to sing and tell jokes and promise the earth

Lately though...Its not held much interest for me!

I get a bigger buzz when a realisation or syncro moment hits!!

Talking of which....Ive had:

12:12
12:21 (mirror)
13:13

All today at set points when I have glanced at the PC time while watching the videos on youtube or getting a realisation moment (usually look around when I do for environmental signs)

[Nect4r$]

We don't really want to 'kick' our ego... we just want to put the little fellow back in his proper place. It took me a long time to learn that.

Indeed, recieving the business end of a 14lb hammer