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[curiotrope]

I have spent some time throughout my life trying to shield myself from other peoples' pain bodies. By that I mean putting on the blinders and proverbially sticking my head in the sand when somebody close to me is getting really active with their pain body. I realized recently that this has become an ingrained habit for me, but that there could be a better way to deal with acting-up pain bodies. So my questions are:
What can your pain body do for me?
I realize awareness is the key to shrinking a pain body. Anyone have advice on dealing with heavy pain bodies in people who have little awareness?
How possible/easy/difficult is it to affect change on collective pain bodies?

I have some ideas on what the answers could be, but I want to hear others' ideas. It seems like pain body could be an interesting tool in many ways, both internally and interpersonally.

[roage]

I have spent some time throughout my life trying to shield myself from other peoples' pain bodies. By that I mean putting on the blinders and proverbially sticking my head in the sand when somebody close to me is getting really active with their pain body. I realized recently that this has become an ingrained habit for me, but that there could be a better way to deal with acting-up pain bodies. So my questions are:
What can your pain body do for me?
I realize awareness is the key to shrinking a pain body. Anyone have advice on dealing with heavy pain bodies in people who have little awareness?
How possible/easy/difficult is it to affect change on collective pain bodies?

I have some ideas on what the answers could be, but I want to hear others' ideas. It seems like pain body could be an interesting tool in many ways, both internally and interpersonally.

I tend to like to show them where they are headed before they crash into something. At times the puzzled question "how did you know that would happen?" sometimes breaks them out of their suffering habit.

Directing one pain body against another is fun to watch. It is like a bull fighter running the bull into another bull.

Another thing that is fun is to hit the enraged with full submission as the expectation is for one to resist abuse rather than enthusiastically sustaining it.

Laughter is great and focuses outward pain infliction back in on itself.

[curiotrope]

I tend to like to show them where they are headed before they crash into something. At times the puzzled question "how did you know that would happen?" sometimes breaks them out of their suffering habit.

Directing one pain body against another is fun to watch. It is like a bull fighter running the bull into another bull.

Another thing that is fun is to hit the enraged with full submission as the expectation is for one to resist abuse rather than enthusiastically sustaining it.

Laughter is great and focuses outward pain infliction back in on itself.

My brother lent me a book once called Games People Play. It was all about the little scenarios people get into that could practically be scripted. In my mind these games are the product of pain body. An example would be, "I can't follow my dream to do X because it would conflict with what my [spouse,friend,relative,insert whoever here] is doing," thereby transferring the blame for their own suffering and strengthening the pain body, and usually triggering the other party's pain body in the process. The main idea of the book was to recognize such "games" so one learns not to perpetuate them. The strategies mentioned above sound like excellent ways of keeping out of those "games" or at least changing the rules. I guess it's time for some practice.

[roage]

The main idea of the book was to recognize such "games" so one learns not to perpetuate them. The strategies mentioned above sound like excellent ways of keeping out of those "games" or at least changing the rules. I guess it's time for some practice.

It is more accurate to see it as games that are played out as it meets the observer's needs but you already know that.

[Seamus]

Just this morning I had the second meeting between me, my landlady and her business partner on one side, and on the other side, the alpaca farmer couple whose animals were killed (2 of them) by a pair of dogs I was caretaking during 11/11/11.

My landlady went the submission route, and the woman of the couple had to remove herself because she was getting so worked up (angry).

All three of us sat in silence after offering my plan for restitution, and the farmer didn't have a whole lot to say except that he doesn't like doing monthly payments, he prefers quarterly.

We'll see where this goes. It's a very interesting turn of events, this whole thing with the dogs.