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[Joseph]

I have told Roage a little about me, but I kinda want to know what you think.

Strangely right now I am a Christian pastor. But I want to quit because I am tired of being a bold faced liar every Sunday. How I came to that was a slow process. I one day realized that religion is just a set of mental images, and those images no longer serves me so I let them go. That realization came three years ago, but I stayed at church because of fear and because of people I will miss. But also strangely I felt that I still have unfinished business at that time even until today although I am not sure exactly what it is. I feel like I can't move foward spiritually until I leave my post. But it is hard to leave my post because of unfinished business and because of people I care for. But I also feel like the supreme authority is preparing me for something. I have contradictory feeling that is annoying. I am kind of stuck.

Anyway, I think I should just quit and move on.

[Joseph]

Please read my last post.

I also wonder if one can be enlightened by living a double life. I know some orthdox Christians most likely have been enlightened - st. augustine & theresa of avila are two I can think of. I don't know how to do it. I also know a few others were enlightened, but I know they live a double life. They outwardly profess orthdoxy, but they understand things differently. I think St. John the cross for example is most likely no Christian because he was raised Jewish but had to convert. I have read some writings by some Russian Monks, and they wrote lots of interesting stuff. There is no doubt an underground spirituality within Eastern orthodoxy which is not actually orthdox.

I am currently living a double life. What I preach on Sunday a lot of time is different from what I believe. I say those things because people expect to hear them and because people want to hear them. It is kinda fun actually. Once in a while I would say something interesting. But most people act like robots unfortunately. They need some kind of divine intervention to get beyond their programming.

[GodIsMyJudge]

Hello Joseph,

you know what's funny? The fact that I wrote an entire page as a reply to your first post, and instantly did not want to submit it. I felt that I needed to rewrite it again, and looky here, you wrote another thing. Something that really got my attention. A double Life? Huh? Why would you do that. That is not good my friend. That's deception, and you shouldn't be doing that to yourself, nor others. You must know the Truth, and that Ø lives within you. There is nothing that can break the bond of a man and Ø once it has been made. From what I understand, your ego has created an illusion in your mind that living a double life is 100% acceptable and actually quite fun. That is no bueno, Joseph. People go to church because they are usually lost, confused about life, or just want to experience a "divine intervention" like someone else has, so they want it to happen to them too. They don't realize that Ø lives within us all and that we can have a "divine intervention" EVERY SECOND OF OUR LIVES! LOL! You need to understand that for yourself as well. I hope that you will learn what you need to know on Roage's site, but I'm sure you will.

Your friend,
Daniel

[Seamus]

I have told Roage a little about me, but I kinda want to know what you think.

Strangely right now I am a Christian pastor. But I want to quit because I am tired of being a bold faced liar every Sunday. How I came to that was a slow process. I one day realized that religion is just a set of mental images, and those images no longer serves me so I let them go. That realization came three years ago, but I stayed at church because of fear and because of people I will miss. But also strangely I felt that I still have unfinished business at that time even until today although I am not sure exactly what it is. I feel like I can't move foward spiritually until I leave my post. But it is hard to leave my post because of unfinished business and because of people I care for. But I also feel like the supreme authority is preparing me for something. I have contradictory feeling that is annoying. I am kind of stuck.

Anyway, I think I should just quit and move on.

There is certainly a good reason that you are still with your congregation.

Maybe there are some in your congregation who are also ready to hear the truth: that the Holy Spirit was always there for them, but they were too busy listening to their false self, the ego. That they were too busy trying to win God's approval to realize that Satan (the false self, the ego) was the only one who was telling them that they were not good enough. That they are divine by nature, as is all of creation, and that nature is not something to be controlled or feared, but to cooperate with and learn from. That the God that is preached within that system is just another mask of the Great Impostor. That forgiveness is something we need to give more than receive. Our own forgiveness from Ø is a given, but it is our unforgiveness toward our fellows that strengthens the chains that bind us to Satan, the false self.

Forgiveness is not enough. We need to trust Ø 110%, that he/she/it will never create any suffering for us that is not a necessary and integral part of our blessed and priceless life-lesson.

one thing is certain: once you pass the threshold into abandoned trust, the Holy Spirit will be able to speak through you, just the right words at just the right time, in order to stir the hearts of any who are ready to hear. I wish I could be there for your exit sermon. It's coming!

[Joseph]

That's deception, and you shouldn't be doing that to yourself, nor others.

Actually deception is not my intention for sticking around. My intention has always been good. I believe that people can still be "saved" and I wanted to help people.

I soon realize that there is something very mechanical about people. People cannot be changed, but most live according to a certain pattern. I understand why some people in India are solipsists. They think people are just a bunch of biomechincal robots with no spirits in it. But shortly I start to think that maybe people are meant to live their lives according to a preprogrammed reality even though it is fiction. Like Roage said, all is as it should be.

Deception is what I do, but it is never my intention. I haven't really had a bad intention toward anyone since one of my girlfriends dumped me years ago. But I think to myself that deception is fun. That's my coping mechanism.

[roage]

That's deception, and you shouldn't be doing that to yourself, nor others.

Actually deception is not my intention for sticking around. My intention has always been good. I believe that people can still be "saved" and I wanted to help people.

I soon realize that there is something very mechanical about people. People cannot be changed, but most live according to a certain pattern. I understand why some people in India are solipsists. They think people are just a bunch of biomechincal robots with no spirits in it. But shortly I start to think that maybe people are meant to live their lives according to a preprogrammed reality even though it is fiction. Like Roage said, all is as it should be.

Deception is what I do, but it is never my intention. I haven't really had a bad intention toward anyone since one of my girlfriends dumped me years ago. But I think to myself that deception is fun. That's my coping mechanism.

You will want to read this out loud to yourself:

I know from our earlier discussion where you are at in this and there is no need to beat yourself up about this. You may be torn and may not be comfortable about what you are doing but you now "create victims" only of people that Ø has deemed need a helping of the kind of confusion you are handing out. (Technically you are not doing it)

The fact that you are recognizing the incongruities is important to know with absolute certainty that Ø is and has always been involved here. You have been un-blinded to your confusion. Most don't even know they are confused.

As Seamus said, you are where you are at for a perfectly good reason and it is the will of Ø that you be there.

Much depends on your situation. If you are required to present the message that is not your message than I understand your conflict. I am assuming that is the case in that you hove no opportunity to teach as Ø moves you.

When you become enlightened you will see how placing the name "Christ" with "Jesus" the image of Ø is an affront to reason and Ø (if it were even possible to insult Ø). We will leave that for now. Truth is that Jesus would not have wished people to worship him or create a monstrosity named "The Christian Church". This was developed politically such that it was expedient to draw in and assimilate much of the pagan world at the time. I am not making judgments, this is just a fact regarding the effort of Constantine to unify many spiritual and religious divisions. I believe some of the compromises made undermined the entire purpose and credibility of the Church to begin with.

Can you be a "Christian" and enlightened? No, as Christianity violates Ø's Rule 1: Have no other God before me. Jesus never deified himself and made it very clear that he was the image of Ø. John 3:16 is a purposeful misinterpretation that flies in the face of contrary scriptural evidence. Can you be enlightened and teach as Jesus taught and maintaining the integrity of his message. Oh you bet! There are no inconsistencies in the message of Jesus. The, Apostles, however wasted no time confusing the message and leaving the official playing field.

I am sure that most of this is not new to you.

Ø is "God the Father" that Jesus referred to. You will have to learn how to trust Ø to an extent that religion dare not teach. You are already doing so because you realize the inconsistencies in the message. This discomfort flows because of the differential between Truth and fiction. Only Ø can expose this to you in that way. It appear in us as "pressure". If you are to remain with the Church then there is nothing you are going to do to interfere with that outcome. You have only the appearance of free will. Ø runs this place. If you are to leave then it is by Ø's will that it happens. Do not allow ego to create false hypothetical future events to scare you. I would review the Fast Track Material and ask simply for the knowledge on how to be sovereign. Deal in the moment. Think not of the future or the past. That is the realm of ego. The Self (Holy Sprirt) occupies the now and it is the only place power is expressed. Just deal in the "now" moment. Speak the Truth as you are led by Ø. If they hand you a message that is a deception then merely give it to Ø and do as you are led. Without fear and without guilt. You are forgiven even by those you think you are hurting because you are providing negative reinforcement they need right now. I am pretty sure that if you Trust in Ø he will allow for you an escape from a destructive message or not hold you to it because those who receive the message deserve what they get. Remember Ø runs the place and you will be made to do what is required. You have no choice when you trust Ø 

You must conquer your fear. Ø has alway been in control here throughout your entire life. That which you deem "bad" served a wonderful purpose as this conflict is a good sign that you are ready for what is about to happen.

Are you clear on what you must know to establish your sovereignty?

Are you clear on the law required to cross the threshold?

Are you clear on the Holy Grail contract.

If not we can direct you to what you need to do. I would suggest when you go through the material that you speak it out loud such that truth can begin flowing from your mouth.

That helps to trigger the transformation. The more truth the further through the door.

Call me if you need to talk about it. Sometimes words have more power and it helps to hear it rather than read it sometimes.

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Something wonderful is about to happen and there is no reason to be afraid and there is no reason to feel bad, guilty or ashamed.

You are doing it right. You have little choice, really

Love,
Roage

[Joseph]

Thanks Roage and all!

You can see now why I am hesitant to do the grail contract stuff because of my circumstance. I wasn't sure if I suppose to find a different way of living before I can try this stuff. I fear that I am not good enough since I have to be a liar at times.

Roage: Yes, I can't really say anything I want on the pulpit because sermons actually have to meet certain criteria. We are given a checklist to say to people every Sunday. I get watched and supervised by people above me such as the lead pastor or the bishop.

I am a youth pastor. But I am trying to influence all the kids and youths in the church the best way possible without brain washing them. Also I care about them. I feel like I have unfinished business with them and with some people in the congregation, and I am not meant to leave at this moment but maybe at a right now. When the right time comes, I will have to get over my fear.

Seamus:

I think you're right. I see myself as sanity within massive insanity, but from my experience people can't be changed. Yes, I did actually convince two people to leave the church and they now know I am a pretender and keeping their mouths shut for me. But my success rate is very low. And I feel really bad that those two are more confused now than before. Religion creates meaning in people's lives. I now lost touch with them and don't know what they are up to anymore.

[GodIsMyJudge]

Yes, I did actually convince two people to leave the church and they now know I am a pretender and keeping their mouths shut for me. But my success rate is very low. And I feel really bad that those two are more confused now than before. Religion creates meaning in people's lives. I now lost touch with them and don't know what they are up to anymore.

Remember to not worry about something that has happened
in the past, for you now have no control over it. It was Ø's
will for that to happen, so be it. Lol. Don't allow yourself to
dwell in feelings of sorrow, weary, pain, confusion, etc.,
that are brought on by past occurrences. You know what I
mean? I'm sure you do, as you probably know, from
experience, that those kinds of thoughts only lead to
emotions that are not acceptable to Ø. By the way, religion
creates confusion in everyone, and war . What people
need is a relationship with Ø. Only through a relationship
with Ø brings you to putting unconditional trust in Him,
and you will be shown your true purpose.

Your friend,
Daniel

[roage]

Yes, I did actually convince two people to leave the church and they now know I am a pretender and keeping their mouths shut for me. But my success rate is very low. And I feel really bad that those two are more confused now than before. Religion creates meaning in people's lives. I now lost touch with them and don't know what they are up to anymore.

Remember to not worry about something that has happened
in the past, for you now have no control over it. It was Ø's
will for that to happen, so be it. Lol. Don't allow yourself to
dwell in feelings of sorrow, weary, pain, confusion, etc.,
that are brought on by past occurrences. You know what I
mean? I'm sure you do, as you probably know, from
experience, that those kinds of thoughts only lead to
emotions that are not acceptable to Ø. By the way, religion
creates confusion in everyone, and war . What people
need is a relationship with Ø. Only through a relationship
with Ø brings you to putting unconditional trust in Him,
and you will be shown your true purpose.

Your friend,
Daniel

This is a delicate and nuanced issue, It helps when starts from a model of forgiveness and why it is universal. Rather than starting from simply stating that it is.

It has been all to common to simply state what is rather than stating why it is. Most can figure out the what it is from the purpose. I realize you are excited and you have it in you to help but take your time in explanations. Again spend more time on the "why". When people know why then they are more comfortable making the choice. Because ultimately we cannot help anyone but the dance is more elegant when the response is well matched. That takes patience, thought and intuition. Some of us are crotchety old geezers

This statement needs to be revisited:

You know what I
mean? I'm sure you do, as you probably know, from
experience, that those kinds of thoughts only lead to
emotions that are not acceptable to Ø.

There are two reasons why can you spot them?

[GodIsMyJudge]

Yes, I did actually convince two people to leave the church and they now know I am a pretender and keeping their mouths shut for me. But my success rate is very low. And I feel really bad that those two are more confused now than before. Religion creates meaning in people's lives. I now lost touch with them and don't know what they are up to anymore.

Remember to not worry about something that has happened
in the past, for you now have no control over it. It was Ø's
will for that to happen, so be it. Lol. Don't allow yourself to
dwell in feelings of sorrow, weary, pain, confusion, etc.,
that are brought on by past occurrences. You know what I
mean? I'm sure you do, as you probably know, from
experience, that those kinds of thoughts only lead to
emotions that are not acceptable to Ø. By the way, religion
creates confusion in everyone, and war . What people
need is a relationship with Ø. Only through a relationship
with Ø brings you to putting unconditional trust in Him,
and you will be shown your true purpose.

Your friend,
Daniel

This is a delicate and nuanced issue, It helps when starts from a model of forgiveness and why it is universal. Rather than starting from simply stating that it is.

It has been all to common to simply state what is rather than stating why it is. Most can figure out the what it is from the purpose. I realize you are excited and you have it in you to help but take your time in explanations. Again spend more time on the "why". When people know why then they are more comfortable making the choice. Because ultimately we cannot help anyone but the dance is more elegant when the response is well matched. That takes patience, thought and intuition. Some of us are crotchety old geezers

I understand, I should've put some time into what I was saying because I wrote it too fast, and completely forgot to add in they "why". :/ Now I learned from my mistake ^^.

This statement needs to be revisited:

You know what I
mean? I'm sure you do, as you probably know, from
experience, that those kinds of thoughts only lead to
emotions that are not acceptable to Ø.

Two reasons why they are not acceptable to Ø? Or two reasons why the thoughts lead to emotions?

[/quote]There are two reasons why can you spot them?[/quote]