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[ScarrletFlower111]

I have a question about the creating a victim law.
can you create a victim with your words like telling someone off or offending them?

[roage]

I have a question about the creating a victim law.
can you create a victim with your words like telling someone off or offending them?

This is a good question. The rule is: "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

If the one you "tell off" decides to put on the victim suit by being offended then that means nothing to you as long as what you say remains the truth. Labeling people by using expletives is not advisable because it is hard to know the effect. If by telling them off you are intentionally trying to "hurt their feelings" rather than responding to their behavior then, although they are not a real victim, you still will have to deal with Ego with its feeling hurt. They will often hurl it right back at you. That follows "do unto others as you would have done unto you." Generally when faced with bad behavior you need to manage your anger because Ego will use it to make you uncomfortable. You will find it more powerful and helpful to keep your cool and calmly point out what about another's behavior you are having trouble with. That gives them no excuse to escalate it into a feeling hurting conflict. Just remember when you see yourself getting angry then understand that it is you that has the problem. The other person is merely teaching you that you have an unhealthy attachment to something that you should be letting go of. You should consider thanking them for teaching you things about yourself that generate an unhealthy angry response.

Does that help?

[Seamus]

For my own 2 cents, I would like to point out that there are not a number of laws. The law is one. One is the law. All is one, therefore everything you do will come back to you in some form or other. This is never to be seen in a punitive sense, but as a natural chain of events as simple as releasing a ball over the ground causing it to fall.

On the right brain side, there is no way to shape your behavior in any way other than the way you are meant to shape it. It will (and already is) happen automatically. If you have a preference about which aspects of your personality change first and how they should change, that preference will often become a stumbling block to you and a source of what Ra (in the Book of the Law of One) calls painful catalyst, and what we here tend to call negative or painful lessons. Attachment is the primary means by which suffering comes into one's life. Yes, that's a "Buddhist" concept, but no religion owns truth. Nonattachment is a very worthy practice, and will show true character to other-selves when exercised in a difficult circumstance.

[D@mien]

I would like to add that from the perspective of oneness there would be no point in apologizing to non but our Selfs. To be honest to our Self and admit the projecting of our own fears and so on on to others. However i would say that for me the apologizing to others was a "great lesson" because my Ego was so against it i was honest and said that it was for mySelf and i didn't want nothing out if it.
Kind of like hitting two flies in one stroke. First to be honest to one Self and second to humiliate ones Ego
Apologize might be the wrong term though cause it inplies that there is a victim. I can't quite express it. Honesty might be a better expression.

[roage]

I would like to add that from the perspective of oneness there would be no point in apologizing to non but our Selfs. To be honest to our Self and admit the projecting of our own fears and so on on to others. However i would say that for me the apologizing to others was a "great lesson" because my Ego was so against it i was honest and said that it was for mySelf and i didn't want nothing out if it.
Kind of like hitting two flies in one stroke. First to be honest to one Self and second to humiliate ones Ego
Apologize might be the wrong term though cause it inplies that there is a victim. I can't quite express it. Honesty might be a better expression.

I answered the question from the left-paradigm and I knew the rest would follow.

[D@mien]

I would like to add that from the perspective of oneness there would be no point in apologizing to non but our Selfs. To be honest to our Self and admit the projecting of our own fears and so on on to others. However i would say that for me the apologizing to others was a "great lesson" because my Ego was so against it i was honest and said that it was for mySelf and i didn't want nothing out if it.
Kind of like hitting two flies in one stroke. First to be honest to one Self and second to humiliate ones Ego
Apologize might be the wrong term though cause it inplies that there is a victim. I can't quite express it. Honesty might be a better expression.

I answered the question from the left-paradigm and I knew the rest would follow.

I know and i did not mean to imply anything else. This is probably the most natural way from a "pedagogical" point of view. Sometimes it is difficult to switch from one paradigm to the other for me and the answers tend to not be as concise as one would "want" .

[permie1]

I have a question about the creating a victim law.
can you create a victim with your words like telling someone off or offending them?

The answer is ultimately no.

Truth cannot create a victim however truth will create a painful or uncomfortable situation for someone who has placed him/herself in the victim suit. Also it is a matter how the truth is being applied.
One can determine if the other is operating in left (ego) or right (self) brain paradigm simply by their action or re-action.

So when the suit is "offended" by the truth it will re-act and appear as a victim.

If the truth is spoken in a malicious and hurtful way such that the intent is injure and to create a victim then the latter will apply recourse and remedy or will respond in kind. But for that to happen both parties will operate on the same playing field (ego), one to perpetrate the "wrong" (assailant) and the other to receive it (victim).

When the truth is spoken between same Right brained parties that truth can only be used to impart information and knowledge because two Right brained parties cannot create victims of themselves or others.

Here is an easy formula

Right brain and Right brain = no victim
Right brain and Left brain = no victim
Left brain and Left brain = perceived victim
Actual victim? = {}

Does this help

[Moose]

the truth thought or spoken if truth remains truth. Stand tall in truth.

[ScarrletFlower111]

yeS U ALL HAVE BEEN VERY VERY HELPFUL
as long as i say the truth everthing works out right
ha i love it