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[thequestforthequest]

This is a very important question.

A huge mistake is when a child puts his trust religiously in his father or his mother.
Ideally a mother and a father is to teach a child by example to place ones trust unconditionally in Ø.
When a child instead trusts his father or mother, later when he grows up he notices that their parents were wrong.

He could now recognize his mistake. And forgive.
Instead many attack their parents for messing him or her up. They rebel.
--> suffering.
He might turn to peers.
--> more suffering
He might turn to books, television, pop culture, friends, literature, sports ...
--> suffering
He might turn to his ego, to his self
He might turn to religion

This situation child blames parents for their mistakes in the microcosmos is the same as
citizens blaming their civil servants for their mistakes.

Maybe at some point, through suffering, he might learn to trust Ø unconditionally.

(Hence the 'world situation'.

It doesn't have to be through suffering, though.

A course in miracles teaches, that the Holy Spirit teaches through Joy because it is much more effective.

A man learns through joy too.

Well thats beside the point.)

So what to you think?


So, how do I get to trust Ø unconditionally and withdraw trust from anything other than Ø?

Pray?

[Deckard666]

YOu make it a little too easy. You leave out 2 important factors that - everybody in the conspiracy or truther scene does so: Time and Manipulation of each person.

Your parents know nothing at all how this world works. They have been manipulated since birth like their children after them have. The parents of your parents have also been manipulated all their life - and their parents - and their parents ... in fact we are looking at countless generations of slaves who's purpose is to work and raise the next slave generation.

There's basically 3 times in everyone's life where you rebel. And for each time there have been manipulation systems installed to bring you back into line.

1. Is preschool age where it is natural for children to connect to {}. For that we have kindergardens to have them under control. Learn to play well with others instead fooling around with the Creator and/or see how things really work.
2. Teenager at the brink of coming of age. The manipulation there was changed in the last centuries. Back in the 70s teenager saw what their parents were and rebelled because they don't wanted to end up being slaves like they were. They changed that with all the nice toys and stuff teenagers can buy. Subcultures en masse and nice outfits and iPod, iPad, and iPhone. So today they still rebell but do not even know why because the only thing they are concerned with it how to get the enough green paper to buy stuff.
3. Midlife crisis. After you worked literally your ass off andyour life life went nowhere you end up in that crisis. If it hits you hard they send you to the rapist (therapist) to get you back into line so you can work again.

So each time you have a chance to find your way back they have a system installed that works pretty well to avoid that.

You have mentioned teenagers before ... is it possible that you use the hate you feel for them as excuse because your rebellion against the system doesn't bring the results you expected? Here's the thing: They haven't found the key to break out. You have.

So how to trust unconditionally ... well simply ask for a lesson to learn it. I had the same problem. I asked for it and I got it ... well I didn't expected it to be a union election where I served as election manager but it turned out great. From the first day everything was arranged so I didn't have to to do anything - everybody was unknowingly working for me. Was a great demonstration.

Namaste,

Deckard666

[thequestforthequest]

Hi Deckard666

Your parents know nothing at all how this world works. They have been manipulated since birth like their children after them have. The parents of your parents have also been manipulated all their life - and their parents - and their parents ... in fact we are looking at countless generations of slaves who's purpose is to work and raise the next slave generation.

No wonder I had been disappointed with my parents.

1. Is preschool age where it is natural for children to connect to {}. For that we have kindergardens to have them under control. Learn to play well with others instead fooling around with the Creator and/or see how things really work.

Thank you for this summary.
Nice summary.

Preschool age huh, heck on earth for me I did not like kindergarten at all the kindergarten nurses told my parents that they think I might be mentally handicapped because I was somehow "different" or maybe didn't obey all their commands as they expected Then for them to tell the parents they think the child is 'mentally handicapped' is probably standard procedure. Nowadays they would sent the child to a youth psychiatrist who diagnoses them as having "ADD" and they will be doped, knocked out and dumbed down with "Ritalin".

2. Teenager at the brink of coming of age. The manipulation there was changed in the last centuries. Back in the 70s teenager saw what their parents were and rebelled because they don't wanted to end up being slaves like they were. They changed that with all the nice toys and stuff teenagers can buy. Subcultures en masse and nice outfits and iPod, iPad, and iPhone. So today they still rebell but do not even know why because the only thing they are concerned with it how to get the enough green paper to buy stuff.

Thats a very good description.

Playing computer / video games, sub cultures, movies etc
The 60/70s generation must be disappointed with todays youth My parents, who were teenagers in the 70s (but in East Germany) and their associates of the same age always tried to inspire me and associates to stop playing video games and to go outside etc.

3. Midlife crisis. After you worked literally your ass off andyour life life went nowhere you end up in that crisis. If it hits you hard they send you to the rapist (therapist) to get you back into line so you can work again.

"The rapist" thats a good one.
I have already have had experiences with the rapists. Plus, my mother sort of is one. And - I had her push "the button" Muahahaha Her clients might benefit


About trust.

After I posted "So, how do I get to trust Ø unconditionally and withdraw trust from anything other than Ø?", changes started to happen to get me there. My eyes are opened and I feel that I am going into a good direction. Confusion and illusion is dropping.

Namaste. (I greet Ø in you)

thequestforthequest

So how to trust unconditionally ... well simply ask for a lesson to learn it. I had the same problem. I asked for it and I got it ... well I didn't expected it to be a union election where I served as election manager but it turned out great. From the first day everything was arranged so I didn't have to to do anything - everybody was unknowingly working for me. Was a great demonstration.

It is great, isn't it. I too experience(d) everything and everyone working for me.

You have mentioned teenagers before ... is it possible that you use the hate you feel for them as excuse because your rebellion against the system doesn't bring the results you expected? Here's the thing: They haven't found the key to break out. You have.

That really hits the nail on the head.

And the nice thing is: I can just let anyone press "The Button" on roage's main website.
Or "Drop a rock".
Well I am planting seeds, even if i do not notice consciously.

One could stand in a public place and let people drop rocks. How would that be?

Well I shouldn't say that I am going to do something if I am not going to do it.

But I posted links of roages site on various places on the web and the counter on the Button website went up 23 points in one week.

don't want to inflate my ego here of course.

Namaste.

Sorry if my writing is still confused and unprecise.
But I am not a slave so.. Take it or leave it.

[roage]

Our choice is to blame our parents and resent them.

Or

We can show them what wonderful new things their child has discovered and show them that the pain was necessary and served a good purpose.

[thequestforthequest]

Problem with overbearing mother for 10 years.

She wants to control me.

She doesn't understand that thats got nothing to to with 'love' but with selfish bodily ego 'desires'.

Read augustinergirl's threads in Ego land and you get and idea of her behaviour.

It is a violation to control another as a slave. if the master is a mother and the slave is a son that makes no difference.

and it is a violation to subject to another as a slave.

my fault is that I blame my mother for my slavery. its exactly as roage explained in "Divine Law and the Holy Grail" on Youtube.

i even wanted to cause my mother harm and did so too.

I have subjected myself as a slave to others as well.

I have controlled others as a slave.

We can show them what wonderful new things their child has discovered and show them that the pain was necessary and served a good purpose.

I agree, but what I described above gets in the way.

All the slavery must stop first.

[thequestforthequest]

Why do I subject myself as a slave to others
or
control others as a slave
in the first place?

Lack of trust in Ø?
-->
ignorance about what this life is and who is in control of everything in the universe?
-->
fear of dying, starving, suffering, poverty, lack?
-->
fear of being controlled, fear of losing control?
-->
insanity?

[thequestforthequest]

Now, how do I quit all subjecting myself as a slave and controlling others as a slave?

Do you want to free all your slaves (y/n)? yes.
done.
Do you want to stop all subjection to others as a slave (y/n) yes.
done.
you are free.
Have a nice day.

slavery is an iluuuuusion.

Hello.
Where do you put your trust?

(1) Pope Benedict
(2) Ø
(3) your mother
(4) your best friend
(5) television evening news
(6) your favorite magazine
(7) your favorite musician
(8) your favorite computer program
(9) your spouse/alternatively man/woman you have romantic feelings for
(10) the economy/the stock market
(11) your boss
(12) your favorite guru
(13) your favorite member of the roage forum
(14) your favorite preacher

Please enter a number (1-14)
_> 2

Thank you.
You have chosen: (2) Ø

Have a nice day.

[thequestforthequest]

Do you wish to discard all fiction, illusion and falsehood and to retain only Truth (y/n)? yes
working...
file SLAVERY.EGO has a read-only attribute set. Delete anyway (y/n) yes.
working...
done.

Thank you.
Have a nice day.

[thequestforthequest]

I cant take it anymore!
I cant take anymore to be controoolled!

fear of being controlled!!
fear of being out of control ?!

I have rights.

[curiotrope]

I cant take it anymore!
I cant take anymore to be controoolled!

fear of being controlled!!
fear of being out of control ?!

I have rights.

This is very important. You have no control other than what the self allows.

What exactly are your rights?