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[Moose]

My Experience with this with myself is not to be misunderstood.

I spent 3 years of my life engaging in the LAW OF ATTRACTION i now come to know as THE LAW OF FOOLS.
I bought everybook, I bought the DVD, i Sat for hours listening to EStar Hicks About her wisdom on this subject.
I spent countless hours reading and reading.

I carried gratitude stones around with me, i bought crystals, i bought candles, i bought every worthless man made gimick to do with this subject.
I spent every morning saying thank you. Every thing i did i said thank you. Every thing i ate i said Thank you.
Every moment of my life i walked around happy feeling gratitude for every thing i had in my life. It was awesome, not one day in 3 years was i sad, down, lonley, upset or ungratefull.
My friends called me father moose, for only priests they said never frown and always have a explanation for anything going bad.
I am a taxi driver by trade, there is not one street i do not know in this city, there is no where i have not been,
While focusing on having enough it bought me more hours to work, more scum to carry from place A to B, more of nothing i already had.
All i wanted and all i was focusing on was having more time to spend at home, more money just to pay the bills and live, and health.

After 3 years i was working 75 hours a week, sleeping when i could, and becoming more like the memory to my family.
After going through what i have been through the past months here with Roger, my life has been blown out of sheer proportion.

I no longer read those books, no carry rocks, no longer wear crystal's, no longer walk around saying thank you for this and thank you for that.
I worked 14 hours last week and 8 before. My income has trebled.
I carry only clean respected people in my car, no longer those i used to carry, always there journey's are worth doing. In 2 hours work today i obtained £101.00
My health is amazing, my life is amazing, i wake when i want to without the clock. My family interaction is priceless, i can not even find one worry to recall upon.

So which method works?
Is there anybody here that can give me the advice where they have succeeded to imform me where i went so wrong before.
Anybody here now rich in all they desire?

It left me half DEAD with no life, NO Health, and a crumbling Family.

[Gooseone]

It seems i too have been using the Law of Attraction, although via the subconcious
I have been having problems convincing myself the use of my job , this has manifested itself in being sick , car breaking down , numerous
obstacles every day to make work impossible , total shutdowns of construction sites , getting bills send back do to form errors etc ...etc.
But if not for working the Law of Attraction , would i have attracted the insights i have gained ?
For that i am thankfull to have been a fool , putting a warning on the books doesn't seem like a bad idea though

[Ryanon]

Moose, I love your posts.

Ok, My journey to my ending up here began through the Secret then Law of Attraction by the aforementioned person named by you Moose.

Now I did have a lot of things come true by following the LOA but have never felt comfortable with the desire of riches side of things The gratitude and positive angle felt great though!

I felt that last week I was ready to burst though the door here and be an observer, the last few days have been less enlightening and realisation though so still unsure of where I am in this game hmm. Saying that, Just before my last big realisations I done the same and the Rouge site called me by turning up at random on a site I was on...was like a calling card lol

Anywho, back to topic......

So is the LOA real?? Does it fit in a different way?

[Moose]

It seems Gooseone we intended to use this method as directed, only mine went in and on before one realized I had strayed down a path to where I was crumbling into pieces.

I admire your posts. Your thoughts and logic seem to tie into my very own when I look back on what has been.
I love you with a love you have yet to feel, and I know that the seed you are Has only one way to go.... That's to grow into so thing beautiful.

The LOA I now know is a lesson. One that teaches and expose's that all experiences may be short and sweet but everything plays a crucil part in the discovery of ourselfs and what we truely are capable of doing.
It is through ignoring each lesson from not knowing it is a lesson do will fall further and further behind.
Ester Hicks teaches one thing. That we are born wanting.! Indeed yes, only she forgets to inform us we are born to realize ourselfs who we are. she pushes us into the gold at the end of rainbow.

We all as we stand here are unique in ourselfs, each containing a drive, education teach's us that drive is success within the world we see around us, it involves money and power, be the big man or be the little man. we all want the good stuff.
It is true in most counts that one must fail and fail, And the LOA is the perfect tool to realize we are part of the same flow experiencing it all together, giving us the will to step of the ladder into thinking in the right directtion we were always intended to be gong in.

As before I have said before you may not understand these words, I look upon all I write and struggle so hard to convert it into sentance that would be understood, if you misunderstand today, tomorrow is a different day bringing new growth into your insight where words will convert to an understanding within the level you have gained.

With piece.
Moose.

[roage]

So is the LOA real?? Does it fit in a different way?

I look at is as "power hoping". Say 100,000 of us get in a circle and are committed to world peace. So really what keeps us from doing it? Ø

War, suffering, pain and loss it vital to get our attention. LOA is a taking ego and making it spiritual. Just a retread of the same old strategy.

Now there are people that must be co-creating war, conflict and suffering. Who are we to co-create them out of what they want? Ø

There is the math proof. If 1/100th of the people out there using LOA could attract their hearts desire the impact in the economic market place would be unprecedented in history.

OK, SO WHERE IS IT?

This idea that we have independent potent free will is a scary prospect. It mean Ø is not omnipotent. It means a man has the power to violate my rights, kill me against my will and the will of Ø.

Even if that were the case and 4 years of direct experience to the contrary was "accidentally" wrong and a man could kill me against my will and the will of Ø then I would rather be shot where I stand and continue in a universe that I would not have voluntarily entered into in the first place. I refuse to cooperate with a travesty.

Why do we have LOA? This is a last gasp of ego manipulation traps. When this nonsense is laughed out of town then people will be looking in a new direction. Perhaps Real Law?

LOA is here for the same reason kids put their hands on stoves. I say go ahead and try it.

[Gooseone]

You are understood Moose , people only have to realise the greates joy of a new tv is not aquiring it but seeing a nice movie with some friends.
It is hard to realize the tv has nothing to do with it when the outcome of having that tv makes it look that way.
@Ryanon and Roage : It certainly works , to teach and give an illusion.
The real LOA is a acronym for Free Will which only presents itself when not wanting but instead being , so if not wanting or willing who's creating ......

[permie1]

Here is my two cents worth about this law of attraction and to those who still are in denial that it is the Ego that is pushing this law of attraction concept. If it seems too harsh please look past it since I have not yet acquired my new writing skills.

Law of attraction is equivalent to diet products; the more you try it the less it works. What has it attracted so far? Misery? Frustration? Has one become so delusional against the fact that it is not you that runs this game? Has the Ego fooled you into thinking that it can manifest money, love a car or perhaps a mansion? Which again are all ego based desires? The law of attraction may have been the catalyst to bring you to this stage in your life, but don’t dwell on it, for it is, in the end, nothing but a scam and a dead end. These people that espouse to teach this law of attraction, work only to empty your pockets. Are they not laughing all the while telling you that if you don't succeed to try another book or tape or seminar because if you don’t succeed it is not the programs’ fault but something lacking in you? These teachers are great at what they do and will use these Ego based programs designed to con you into believing the co-creation nonsense. Do you still not understand that we have but one choice? Do you still not understand who runs this place? I would like to find someone that actually has attracted something substantial without having preyed on peoples hopes, gullibility, fears, material desires and empty dreams, but here’s the lesson in itself. Where exactly do you place your trust?

” You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent” ”The more sophisticated the game the more sophisticated the opponent”. Wake up Mr. Green

[Ryanon]

Excellent posts folks!!

As I said in an earlier topic, I always had problems with the wanting of materialistic products and felt it was wrong. I also had problems with a high percentage of the teachers being business folks rather than spiritual teachers (just my mind lol) But and there is a big but...

I have mysteriously attracted situations and 1 item of note which blew my mind.....the question is....Who enabled me to have synchronistic experiences and attract the one item which I had cut out a catalogue, stuck in a book, forgot about for weeks and happen to buy at a car boot sale without remembering about the cut out (as in exact make and model)

It was a simple telescope I wished to have to have a peek up there lol but weeks after getting it from a local car boot sale I found the book and when I opened it there staring at me was the exact one. Now if I had bought it out of a shop I would say it was my subconscious at it lol. It was off a stall and being the only one and I decided to look out for one that day and if reasonable would buy. I even had the option to buy one privately through a classified ads but the girl on the other end told me to call the next day as her husband was not in. I decided to just try the boot sale and woooosh lol

The other weird stuff has been the usual 11:11 showing up a lot, thinking of someone and they call (this happens on cue lol), getting the parking space I want even in busy places and loads of other things that has had me in laughter and freaked my wife out. Now I think I may answer my own question here as something just come to my head while typing......

I used to believe in coincidences! Now I do not and feel everything happens for a reason....is this the lesson I have learnt through my study and attempts at LOA hmmmm

I seem to have driven through the LOA teachings and came out the other side knowing there is more to the universe and life than what I once believed along with a strong knowing the luck, chance and coincidence just does not exist!

Then I found myself drawn to Roage's posts on Icke's site, studying the main site here and ecstatic when I knew a forum was in place!

Oh and a side note...Before last summer I used to actively study and research the paranormal from a sceptical view point and would accept nothing without evidence, I even appeared on TV shows as the sceptical Investigator, worked with folks from both sides of the pond from this angle. I was the totally opposite of my thoughts just now so that puts the above into perspective Its an astonishing chance of thoughts and why it happened I have not got the slightest idea!

SO maybe the LOA stuff has a purpose but as said, its a drive through and not a sit in

Ok I will shut up now!

[darkrue]

I've never been a fan of the "law of attraction". I've never been able to put my finger on exactly why, other than from my perspective it never works in the way it says it does. Perhaps this is because there are too many selfish, ignorant people out in the world who are all too greedy to begin with and have no clue what they really want or need. That sounds like a recipe for disaster!

What I've learned is that life isn't about getting what you want, but rather getting what you need. Sometimes what you want is not what you need, and you will simply not get it because it is not meant for you to have. Sometimes what you *think* you need isn't what you actually need. And then, sometimes what you want corresponds with what you need. One must trust that everything they have is already what they need, and learn to find appreciation and beauty in what they have been granted.

[roage]

I've never been a fan of the "law of attraction". I've never been able to put my finger on exactly why, other than from my perspective it never works in the way it says it does. Perhaps this is because there are too many selfish, ignorant people out in the world who are all too greedy to begin with and have no clue what they really want or need. That sounds like a recipe for disaster!

What I've learned is that life isn't about getting what you want, but rather getting what you need. Sometimes what you want is not what you need, and you will simply not get it because it is not meant for you to have. Sometimes what you *think* you need isn't what you actually need. And then, sometimes what you want corresponds with what you need. One must trust that everything they have is already what they need, and learn to find appreciation and beauty in what they have been granted.

Where you are destined will be a place where your "wants" will automatically be aligned with your "needs" so you only want what you need. Makes things easy...