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[roage]

I think it would be helpful if the Declaration of Sovereignty and Independence would be translated into as many languages as possible.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26065787/A-Declaration-of-Sovereignty-and-Independence

We could post these declarations on the website in one's native language for people who have filed in the courts.

That would serve as additional public service and would drive more traffic to the site and forum.

What do you think?

[Gooseone]

Although it is a declaration , the form might not be applicable in country's wherein the people who are binded by their law do not understand it
correctly.
I will check a couple of things , so that a translation in my native language would be of more use.

[roage]

Although it is a declaration , the form might not be applicable in country's wherein the people who are binded by their law do not understand it
correctly.
I will check a couple of things , so that a translation in my native language would be of more use.

Yes that would indeed be part of the translation. It is not a good idea to file a document that one does not understand and one would not fully understand it without solving the ego/left-brain conundrum.

It is like when I establish "common-ground" with another it requires a perception change.

[Gooseone]

This will take a bit.
I will dig into the matter to clear certain things up for the Netherlands.
It seems you are totally right in saying "by acting like laws are applicable one acknowledges them" , and humankind is easily fooled that way.
When people are born in Holland it is commondary to be acknowledged by the state, by doing this one is a natural person , the definition of a natural person seems highly unclear and it seems the state sees a natural person the same as a legal entity.
When one never disagrees with this concept one accepts to be seen this way.
Since i am a man of my word there are certain things i have to figure out , i have a small business and i am wondering how i am held responsible for that.
Also rights of the ones that are governed are protected and although i am only bound by the laws of my Creator which present themself into moral concensus
i do have take other's right's into account.
Furthermore before i can make a declaration there are issues for me to personally deal with so that i have a full understanding of my responsibilities.
Without doing so i would show ignorance and therefore the declaration would be of no value.
For example: I do not agree with the system of money as we know it because there are factors that determine the value which i can have no insight in and other entities have been granted the power to fluctuate the value as they do see fit. Therefore via my "assumed" rights/laws it would be suggested i have the ability to understand and to take action against this problem. This can only be done through legal ways which don't applie and personal effort. However i could argue that this option is not possible in this present day and can render the ones who have control over the value incompetent.
However i have loaned money for my small business and i cannot go by the fact that i have been given the means to undertake a workstrategy and therefore
i am to be held responsible to give in return.
...it will take a while

[roage]

This will take a bit.
I will dig into the matter to clear certain things up for the Netherlands.
It seems you are totally right in saying "by acting like laws are applicable one acknowledges them" , and humankind is easily fooled that way.
When people are born in Holland it is commondary to be acknowledged by the state, by doing this one is a natural person , the definition of a natural person seems highly unclear and it seems the state sees a natural person the same as a legal entity.
When one never disagrees with this concept one accepts to be seen this way.
Since i am a man of my word there are certain things i have to figure out , i have a small business and i am wondering how i am held responsible for that.
Also rights of the ones that are governed are protected and although i am only bound by the laws of my Creator which present themself into moral concensus
i do have take other's right's into account.
Furthermore before i can make a declaration there are issues for me to personally deal with so that i have a full understanding of my responsibilities.
Without doing so i would show ignorance and therefore the declaration would be of no value.
For example: I do not agree with the system of money as we know it because there are factors that determine the value which i can have no insight in and other entities have been granted the power to fluctuate the value as they do see fit. Therefore via my "assumed" rights/laws it would be suggested i have the ability to understand and to take action against this problem. This can only be done through legal ways which don't applie and personal effort. However i could argue that this option is not possible in this present day and can render the ones who have control over the value incompetent.
However i have loaned money for my small business and i cannot go by the fact that i have been given the means to undertake a workstrategy and therefore
i am to be held responsible to give in return.
...it will take a while

Without actual application spiritual growth is a wasted effort.

This law we learn and this change in consciousness will precipitate a change in "government" and not the other way around.

[Gooseone]

I agree wholeheartedly
For me personally , i cannot ignore the standard by which others choose to live and i do not judge them for it , i know i have certain responsibilities against others. Yet a precedent needs to be just that and the importance of it is not wasted on me.
If my responsibilities lie in respecting others wishes or being the precedent is not for me to know for now.
As i said i will make an effort to translate into a declaration which can be understood by the people of my country when they crossreference it with what have been
brought up with
Ow and can spiritual growth be achieved without automatically having practical implications ?

[Gooseone]

It seems i am on the right track with not accepting to be seen as a legal entity but stating this "legal entity" acts on behalf of my natural person to engage in
taking a place in the society of the country of the Netherlands. Therefore i as a sovereign natural person do not acknowledge the resposibilities , rights , or duties
which are given to my legal entity. I have to make a statement for everyone to know to what law i do keep myself and for me that will be something in the likes of : The ultimate creator which presents itself as Law through the moral concensus of man.
This declaration will mean i will give up my voting rights because it is specifically implied that it is a natural person which does the voting, not the legal entity
the state takes the natural person for.
I think i will have to do a lot of research because there is definitely something going on with the definition of a natural person vs a legal entity and there seem to be certain acts that specifically state when a person acts as a natural person by which one acknowledges the state as the entity by which it is ruled.......

[Gooseone]

I 've been trying to gain some info , but it seems to boil down to the concept that the Netherlands although in practice a democracy
, is still very much a monarchy when one looks deeper.
So therefore there seeing as the Queen is the only Sovereign and has been granted that Sovereignty from "God" i have no other choice then
pronounce myself King !

[Gooseone]

Okay , i shall continue to work on a statement for myself , i will not translate yours.
I have looked around a bit and have come to the conclusion your statement can only apply to you personally Roage.
Most people who are working similar constructions seem to want to have an excuse to not follow any law if it does not suit them en most do not emphazise the Law they will abide or the responsibility they have.
This has made me realise the ones who fully grasp the concept will state so theirself , i will not hesitate to enlighten anyone who want's the truth as i see it.
I have read through many discussions which has led me to conclude that the general concensus in Holland is that there will be anarchy in a negative way because a lot of people cannot contemplate the true implications.
Therefore i will not obviously make my statement in a manner which people can use for their own benefit which isn't founded on the principles i am held by.

[Deckard666]

But that's the thing that won't happen: If you design a declaration for the Netherlands that anybody can use thats fine. Because it only states that you act and want to be treated by real law. So if some stupid idiot thinks it's a complimentary ticket that allows him/her to do what they want the creator will show him/her it is not and put him/her back under human law.

Namaste,

Deckard