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[Moose]

There is many of you now asking about the Meeting of the Minds that you will in the experience.
As in a previous thread it is shown that many of you have had different encounters and that there seems to be no set pattern for what is in motion. Therefore after speaking with Roger on his experience it appears we have come to the concullsion that Trust is a main factor.

At first it is hard to trust in what you can not see. It is even harder to trust against years of thinking in the opposite direction. We all know how hard it is to even trust a stranger we can see and touch. This seems to be a bottle neck in the process.
We have discovered that it is even possible for one to have the meeting while still under the shadow of the EGO, where the Ego falls away after rather than before. This seems to indicate being 'rushed through'

So there is no sure answer. There is only truth that it will happen for those willing to recieve it.

It matters not how you begin to trust, there is no right way or wrong way. It matters only that the connection is made for Ø knows what is intended.

[Swift46]

Is trusting god the same thing as trusting your intuition? Last night (today at around 1) I was up doing homework, after I finished I was too tired/ lazy to go brush my teeth, plus I saw and killed a silver fish earlier around that area. I had a strong feeling to go brush my teeth, but I didnt. What do I trust...

[Nect4r$]

There is many of you now asking about the Meeting of the Minds that you will in the experience.
As in a previous thread it is shown that many of you have had different encounters and that there seems to be no set pattern for what is in motion. Therefore after speaking with Roger on his experience it appears we have come to the concullsion that Trust is a main factor.

At first it is hard to trust in what you can not see. It is even harder to trust against years of thinking in the opposite direction. We all know how hard it is to even trust a stranger we can see and touch. This seems to be a bottle neck in the process.
We have discovered that it is even possible for one to have the meeting while still under the shadow of the EGO, where the Ego falls away after rather than before. This seems to indicate being 'rushed through'

So there is no sure answer. There is only truth that it will happen for those willing to recieve it.

It matters not how you begin to trust, there is no right way or wrong way. It matters only that the connection is made for Ø knows what is intended.

This has been such a strange night. It's as though each one of several posts(not threads) I've been going over tonight has been clicking into place with the others.

"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step." - Martin Luther King Jr.

So appreciated Moose

[Moose]

Is trusting god the same thing as trusting your intuition?

Intuition = The path one needs to be on. Follow the White Rabbet.

[Swift46]

But how do you know when you trust god unconditionally, I believe that I do, but... I don't know since I didnt get a notificantion.

Edit: I was going to ask this but i forgot, I forgot again...ok I remembered, about 1.5 weeks ago I went to bed and I asked god to be sovereign, then I had a feeling of sorts that I didnt want it, I was really scared of the change, like I felt like I could happen, close to it, hard to explain, but I got through that fear and wanted it anyways by the end.. nothing happened, I was hoping for it to rain too... what could it mean?

Edit again: Its funny, I feel like im learning stuff everyday and that I want to become sovereign when I become, I dont know "complete" with my lessons, I know that that sovereignty isnt the end, just the beginging, and that i'll never stop learning or bettering myself, but still maybe thats whats stopping me ^o^

[roage]

then I had a feeling of sorts that I didnt want it, I was really scared of the change

And do you think Ø would force the process against your will when you are too afraid to trust Ø?

When Luke failed to lift the X-wing from the swamp and then saw Yoda do it.

Luke said: "I don't believe it!"

Yoda said: "That's why you fail"

Spend the week and really try to figure out why you are lying to yourself about really wanting this.

I will start you off:

You do not want this because when it does not come you can place yourself as a victim and blame Ø for the problem. It gives you more to talk about and you use it to try to illicit a sympathetic response from others. This is a classic ego response and you are addicted to the emotional turmoil your self-induced "failure" creates. Until you can let that addiction go then ego will consistently produce it on demand.

There may be other reasons but I will let you come up with them.

Try the thread:

http://roage.free-forum.net/how-can-i-speed-up-the-process-vt102.html?start=0

[Swift46]

I do blame god sometimes(3 or so as far as I can remember) when nothing works, but it hurts me, It gives me no joy, I have thought at those times, when it didn't work that "this is only happening to me because of my reactions when I fail" again Its hard to explain what I really mean with this, but I DONT want to be a victim, I'm sure of that, I must admit though, I have made myself a victim by means of my fear. But subconciouslly wanting to be a victim, Im not so pathetic that I sabatoge myself. Sigh, I may aswell just do It the engineering was and write down all the possible ways as to why Its not working, ah forget it, too much work.

[roage]

There is many of you now asking about the Meeting of the Minds that you will in the experience.
As in a previous thread it is shown that many of you have had different encounters and that there seems to be no set pattern for what is in motion. Therefore after speaking with Roger on his experience it appears we have come to the concullsion that Trust is a main factor.

At first it is hard to trust in what you can not see. It is even harder to trust against years of thinking in the opposite direction. We all know how hard it is to even trust a stranger we can see and touch. This seems to be a bottle neck in the process.
We have discovered that it is even possible for one to have the meeting while still under the shadow of the EGO, where the Ego falls away after rather than before. This seems to indicate being 'rushed through'

So there is no sure answer. There is only truth that it will happen for those willing to recieve it.

It matters not how you begin to trust, there is no right way or wrong way. It matters only that the connection is made for Ø knows what is intended.

Thanks Moose,

This came to me today. I took my transition as the baseline and it is not normal so consequently those whose transition is at variance with min is not abnormal but is normal. My transition was abnormal.

The reason was I had no choice but to trust Ø. I would have stepped in front of a bus if I got a clear indication to do so. That kind of trust was not easy to muster and resulted from 7 years of ridiculously intense pressure.

I actually went backwards through the process that most of you went through. I trusted, Ø came and then the ego lessons came and were dealt with. This is not normal. This disparity was only exposed as more and more went through the process and I amassed data to the contrary.

Froop and Daniel were "bum-rushed" through the process because they had little trouble amassing a high level of trust. This was largely due to the fact that they were young and have not succumb to crippling confusion some of us geezers had to surmount.

This thread is a compliment to: http://roage.free-forum.net/how-can-i-speed-up-the-process-vt102.html?start=0

This process is now being refined to an extraordinary level. It may be possible for more high-speed transitions.

[permie1]

I do blame god sometimes(3 or so as far as I can remember) when nothing works, but it hurts me, It gives me no joy, I have thought at those times, when it didn't work that "this is only happening to me because of my reactions when I fail" again Its hard to explain what I really mean with this, but I DONT want to be a victim, I'm sure of that, I must admit though, I have made myself a victim by means of my fear. But subconciouslly wanting to be a victim, Im not so pathetic that I sabatoge myself. Sigh, I may aswell just do It the engineering was and write down all the possible ways as to why Its not working, ah forget it, too much work.

What are you really afraid of Swift? Is it facing the dark content you would rather not deal with , taking responsibility for the dark content or are you afraid that this is all make believe and that we may be all delusional ? There is so much doubt and you're letting the Ego get the best of you. If you don't want to be a victim then you have to take responsibility not only for your actions that is creating a victim of yourself but also of those who you think are creating a victim of you. It seems like a lot of work but it is simply just a matter of knowing Ø and not just believing in Ø. Don't double guess (I used to do it a lot) go with your first instinct and just start observing and have fun with it. Also I would suggest you revisit the Cheat Sheet

[Ryanon]

What an excellent topic, filled so much with magnification advice.

Swift46, My initial feelings when reading your post about not wanting it was your ego

It very well may be that due to the conditioning of your life thus far which frightens the ego, as there is a realisation of change and the little blighter taking a back seat! That is not easy for the ego to accept...its removing the control of the ego and placing it in the hands of your true self.

ALWAYS follow your intuition too!!!! This is your true self working with the body and ignoring it can be bad for you, this is the trust you need to have! To many people work against their true intuition and do not realise that this is in fact their true essence. Spend the next few days listening to your body....eat only when you are hungry(not emotional), stop when you are physically full and enjoy every part of it at a slow comfortable speed.

This may sound funny to you but please do it! After a few days of this body signals will be more clear and you will increase your ability to trust your intuition/self and Ø

Let me know how you get on?